Famous Last Words...another groin shot

[Dave (imported)]

I had a member of my family take a Ruger Single Six from me and pull the trigger while it was aimed at a wall.

WHen I said - how did you know it wasn't loaded, he said: "You wouldn't give me a loaded gn, would you?"

That's like the dumbest, scariest thing you can say or do.

I Don't trust people that way anymore....

[Hash (imported)]

Did you hear about the off duty police officer who shot and killed his own son, thinking he was an intruder? Didn't even ask or tell him to freeze or he'd shoot, he thought he was an intruder so he took his gun and killed him. Now he has to deal with his overboard power trip and try to live the rest of his life trying to reason why he didn't confront the intruder, aka his son, first. Guns give people to much power and most people can't handle that power. It's too easy to shoot first and ask questions later. Then there are the madmen who take lives because they can get guns so easily, the Aurora Colorado shooter was insane, yet he easily got all kinds of guns, Glock handguns weren't made for sportsmen, sorry. They should be banned from all but the military. What a world we live in.

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/ ... n-intruder

[Arab Nights (imported)]

There are some clips on youtube that show exactly the kind of thing that we think is impossible to do with any common sense at all.

[C&TL2745 (imported)]

This thread reminds me of the "Darwin Awards" urban legend recorded at:

http://www.darwinawards.com/legends/legends1998-04.html

where a guy supposedly accidentally shot a testicle by using a bullet as a fuse in his vehicle. It never actually happened, but it does make an amusing story.

Sandi

[gunnutz (imported)]

Aw gimme a break.

I'm sorry to say that I ahve met people who are stupid and I really do hate to say that about anyone. I was lucky to get a good education and not having an education and having poor english skills and lousy grammar is no reason to call anyone stupid.

However, if you've learned to observe people and listen to people for the least shred of substance in what they say, You will if you are unfortunate, hear people who are ignorant and stupid call someone else stupid.

It has nothing to do with politics. Additionally, I've met some mentally challenged people with various challenges and although incapable of learning any math beyond what's on their fingers, they aren't stupid about understanding people and having feelings and being able to return friendship.

So knock off the political judgments. This guy is funny because he's too stupid to put the gun on an empty chamber or put the safety on or not try to carry it in his pants. That's common gun handling. WORSE, being gun-stupid, a convicted drug dealer and now a two time recidivist, he's saying someone was even stupider and shouldn't be alive (dropped on their head at birth).

My mind boggles at the depth of his stupidity.

With a revolver you still need somewhere between 6-12 pounds of pressure on the trigger to rotate the cylinder and fire it. My bet is on a striker fire, tho how you can "accidentally" defeat the safeties and pull the trigger with it still in your pants is beyond me. Actually now that i think about it with

something like a highpoint it wouldn't be to hard.

I had a member of my family take a Ruger Single Six from me and pull the trigger while it was aimed at a wall.

WHen I said - how did you know it wasn't loaded, he said: "You wouldn't give me a loaded gn, would you?"

That's like the dumbest, scariest thing you can s

ay or do.

I Don't trust people that way anymore....

/facepalm

Every gun is always loaded.

[Dave (imported)]

There are no safeties that I remember on single and double acting revolvers. We're talking revolvers and not semi-automatic pistols with all sorts of other actions.

Cocking the hammer produces a heavier blow to the bullet because the hammer must be cocked farther away form the bullet to be held in place. Then the trigger released the holding mechanism. When you pulls the hammer back without latching it, the distance is shorter and the hammer drops and hits the bullet with less force. The real danger is the firing pin.

Modern pistols have a transfer pin that prevents the hammer from accidentally firing the gun due to rough handling.

Here's the important part -- cowboys with Colt's 45, used to leave the hammer rest on an empty chamber (load five and not six shots) so that handling he gun wouldn't accidentally fire it. Ammunition wasn't as uniform and sometimes rather light jarring would set off the firing cap on the back of the bullet. If the cowboy didn't shoot his foot, then his horse might get it. These revolvers were not made to be tucked in trousers. They're big, heavy guns more likely to drag your pants to the floor.

There is a reason that a Colt 45 (peacemaker) and other guns with 357 calibers and higher have only six bullets in the cylinder. The metals involved don't have the strength to hold together when bored for a seven or eight shooter.

I had a Ruger Single Six which fired nine 22 shorts or six 22 longs. Of course I had to manually replace the cylinders to change caliber because the bullets were physically different

I once had a Dan Wesson 357 that was dual chambered in one cylinder for 357's or 38's.

[Dave (imported)]

As for your statement that a gun is always loaded...

Yes! Never assume a gun isn't loaded. Rule #1 of staying alive with all body pieces intact.

When I showed the pistols to my Father who hadn't handled a gun since WW2, he tried to top break the Ruger Single Six and it took me a minute to realize what he was trying to do. He'd never seen the Ruger's configuration where the cylinder fell out with the removal of a pin. The pistols he used had always top opened for fast loading. He liked shooting targets with that Ruger. Lovely gun for targets. Nothing else. Those damn tiny 22 bullets weren't much use for anything but really stupid critters like snakes or targets.

[moi621 (imported)]

Yeah, I really don't believe most "accidental" shootings. Too many things have to happen wrong to cause a negligent discharge. The only ones I believe in are children and guns (bad mix) and maybe accidentally shooting when you're already preparing to shoot (like an intruder is in the house and you purposefully have a loaded gun pointed at him and finger on the trigger). I guess I also believe if some idiot has a gun "holstered" in his waistband and somehow grabs the trigger when pulling it out. Otherwise, you need to have all of a) gun pointed at something it shouldn't be, b) gun loaded, c) safeties overridden, d) full trigger pull (or hammer action).

In particular I'm skeptical when someone is "cleaning their gun" and shoots their wife. Cleaning your gun is when you're most conscious of what you're doing and there is no way that even an idiot would get far into cleaning a gun without removing the bullets.

If people really are accidentally shooting themselves as often as reported, then imagine how many accidental discharges must be happening that don't hit something? It would have to be at least 50 to 1 chance if you shot in a random direction that you'd hit anyone.

A local case.

Divorced Father's weekend for custody of his little daughter.

What does he decide to do? Clean the shotgun of course. What else.

BOOM!

It was loaded. Blew out one of the little girls kidneys and took off an arm.

I have never known such gun owners. ALL the ones I know compulsively, or with great discipline confirm the weapon is empty. None in the chamber.

Moi

[janekane (imported)]

Proper use of one of the sub-dialects of Ebonics is not an indicator of mental limitation.

Show me a living person who does not make mistakes and I will demonstrate that it was a mistake to not correctly recognize a corpse.

Does not playing forms of "king of the mountain" long enough tend to end up transforming the mountain to a hole in the ground?

I keep my soldering guns unplugged when they are not in use. I regard that as comparable to never storing a loaded gun.

What merit is there in judging someone who messed up? Who, among us, has never messed up?

There was this friend of mine, quite a few years ago, who developed prostate cancer. There was a biopsy and radiation treatment. And normal testosterone until after metastases to bone marrow had become soon-to-be-fatal. Then came the bilateral orchiectomy, the sole effect of which was, I guess, to merely prolong the pain for a day or so more than without the orchiectomy.

HIs experience and my dad's encounters with prostate and colon disease inspired me to do everything practical to delay my developing terminal cancer until after I had died "from old age." Does 73 qualify as "old age"?

I did not know for sure that I would not die on the operating table when my colon was snatched.

People make the choices they are actually able to make, and I find this to be true regardless of how stupid a choice may seem after it happened.

I figure that the conventional firearm that I do not have will never hurt anyone.

[A-1 (imported)]

All guns should be handled as if they are loaded. This is regardless of what you know or what you don't know. It is just a good habit to have.

Re: 22 cal weapons.

Having had more than a little experience with the results of 22 cal slugs encountering the human body, I can testify that they can be just as lethal if not more so than larger cal weapon projectiles with greater muzzle velocities.

22 cal slugs with less mass but having longer body with a more pointed nose in relationship to their diameter enter the body just fine. In addition, if entering the body at an acute angle they have the nasty habit of staying within the body and running along the long axis of long bones or ricocheting off of ribs and other structures, spine, etc. and spreading internal damage around.

If shot through the skull at an angle they do not usually have enough energy to exit, nevertheless they don't stop traveling either, following around inside the skull in circles turning the brain to mush before their energy is spent. The 22 cal has long been a favorite of assassins and professional killers, they are easy to build home-made silencers for, easy to conceal and most likely to be the weapon of choice for assassinations in crowds being discarded along side the body after being used to neutralize a brain stem.

Recall that Abraham Lincoln was assassinated with a derringer, that although a larger caliber with a low muzzle velocity and possibly less likely to be fatal today, did the job in 1865. Firearm technology has came a long way since the Civil War, but a good idea remains a good idea in weapon creation with the 6000 round per minute Gatling gun that an A-10 "Warthog" ground support planes are built around.

Guns are tools, not toys to play with and if you have no respect for them sooner or later an unintended victim will suffer the consequences and that unintended victim might be you.