Brokeback Mountain

[Elizabeth (imported)]

Guilty as charged

I just love reading your posts, but I just have to say this. Every time I read one of your posts, I hear it in this guy's voice.

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Elizabeth

[DeaconBlues (imported)]

I saw the movie some time ago, and I liked it but not really. I suppose that in order to be realistic it was the way it was, that is to say, NO HAPPY ENDING. Even so, I don't like NO HAPPY ENDING.

The "cowboys kissing scene" that has raised so much dust did not really bother me that much, but I have to say just like Mac, I LIKE to see women kissing, men kissing just doesn't do it for me. It does not bother me, but it just does not "send me" either.

One scene that DID REALLY get "under my skin" was when one of the cowboys went to see the parents of his boyfriend after his boyfriend had died, sorry I cannot remember the names of the cowboys. Anyway, the cowboy meets the parents of his late boyfriend for the first time, and his boyfriend's mother seemed OK, she was understanding, but his boyfriend's father was such a total asshole. I SOOOOOOOO WANTED to see that grouchy, cruel old homophobe get his teeth knocked in, I would have liked the movie a lot more if that cruel jerk had got his comeuppance.

[punkypink (imported)]

I don't think the point of brokeback mountain is to get scenes that "does it" for you. You want something that crass, watch porn.

[Dave (imported)]

I saw the movie a number of years ago and thought it was good, a little sad and needed to be said about many relationships between men that might never end in sex but are same-sex relationships anyway.

[tugon (imported)]

What a tragic love story. As sad as the tragedy of Romeo and Juliet. A young man forced to witness the results of a hate crime and the results he can never have the relationship that might have made him happiest. He meets Jack Twist and it all begins.

The scene where the work ended early and Ennis was angry as he said by less pay but of course it was the early separation. After he and Jack parted and the heartbreak hit him and brought him to his knees you could feel his pain. Oh and when they reconnected and all that pent up passion.

Jack's tears after he learns that just because Ennis is divorced he still is not free. Anyone who has ever driven a long distance because your love has sent you home can so easily relate. Jack goes back to his unhappy marriage after a sidetrip to Mexico. Ennis tries to date but to no avail. Two men that should be together are apart and miserable.

When Ennis gets word that Jack is dead and calls his wife we see that no matter the reason for Jack's death Ennis can only see his fears for Jack. Next Ennis visits Jack's parents and the acceptance and kindness in Jack's mother's eyes is almost too sad. You could tell they both shared an incredible sense of loss.

When he finds his long lost shirt on the same hanger with Jack's and he rolls them up and Jack's mom puts them in a bag for him your heart breaks. Then at home in a time of loneliness he looks at the shirts and straightens the post card. So much sorrow and a lifetime of memories.

Brokeback Mountain is so much more than two cowboys.

Ah shit I am crying.

[DeaconBlues (imported)]

Punkypink, why are you ALWAYS trying to pick a fight? Frankly, I am sick of it.

I made an innocent post, stating some of my opinions on the movie "Brokeback Mountain." If I had been more articulate and had better recollection of the movie I would have probably written something like what Tugon just posted, but I didn't. Instead, I briefly addresses the scene that has nearly defined the movie for some people; the "two cowboys kissing scene," something that Mac and Ken had previously mentioned. It is simply a fact, most men and women, whether they are straight, bi or gay, are a little bit shocked to see two men kiss, and most men and women, whether they are straight, bi or gay, find beauty in seeing two women kissing, it might not be "fair" in your opinion, but it is not "crass" either, it is just the way things are.

I make no apologies for finding beauty in what I think is beautiful, and I bitterly resent your implication that it is "crass." I do not care for most "porn" movies as they have absolutely no plot.

I made clear in my first post that my biggest problem with the movie was "no happy ending," just too much sadness, too much unfulfilled love. I suppose it would have been "crass" if I had written/produced/directed the movie, but I would have had the two lovers off for at least a year together in some tropical paradise. UNhappy endings are ok sometimes, but the whole movie was just sad with more sad, then it got worse and worse, climaxing in a crescendo of grief... It was OK, I suppose a realistic look at an ill fated same sex love in a time and place where such things were just too taboo, but honestly, the "kleenex meter" is pegged throughout this misery-fest movie.

[Riverwind (imported)]

Before this thread gets off topic let me just add one thought,

No matter what movie, some people will like it some wont, its the way of things, its not right or wrong it just is, live with it.

Now talk about the movie, not at each other.....

River

[Mac (imported)]

Well Ken, if it had been a scene between two female lovers, I would have stood up and cheered

I agree with you. I can easily accept 2 female lovers but when it comes two 2 male lovers it is a totally different matter.

[moi621 (imported)]

I agree with you. I can easily accept 2 female lovers but when it comes two 2 male lovers it is a totally different matter.

Agree

Except that Gina Gershom & ? Tilly movie.

Moi

[punkypink (imported)]

Gee I thought I'd point out the obvious that the key focus of brokeback mountain as a movie was the storyline, not it's sex scenes. And actually it was also meant as much for anyone who'd mentioned the kissing scene wasn't "doing it" for them, rather than any one specific individual. As River says in an IM, don't be thin skinned and don't take everything personally. If someone is frank and make no apologies in finding what they find beautiful, then the last thing to do is to take me to task for being equally frank.

I don't know why people are shocked to see 2 men kiss personally. Christina Aguilera's MTV for "Beautiful" had 2 men kissing and I thought that was so beautiful it brought a tear to my eye, and as a lesbian I am even more into women kissing than men kissing than just about ANY of you, so I fail to see why it's shocking. As for straight guys finding such a scene "not doing it" for them, fair enough, but that really wasn't the point of the movie, so it seems irrelevant to mention it. This reminds me of a conversation with an asshole I once had, who said that lesbians are hot while gay men should be shot. Granted his was a far more extreme manifestation of heterosexism, but hey, if we're talking about principles.... then it seems superfluous to mention that the kissing scene of brokeback mountain wasn't giving someone watching the movie a raging hardon either.

Now no matter how mild a display of male heterosexist attitudes might be, I'm not entirely sure those sort of prejudiced sentiments belong in a place as progressive as the EA. That is all.