Canada Disqualifies Transsexual

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Dave (imported) wrote: Thu Mar 29, 2012 12:27 pm The only beauty pageant I ever thought was worth watching was Chuck Barris' $1.98 Beauty Pageant.

The last time I watched one, Bert Parks was the MC, and it was probably because I was still in high school and lived at home. Then, we had one TV, and it was my dad that chose what to watch. It had to be over 50 years ago.
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I do easily understand how women could get very worried over this eunuch-transexual group of people being allowed to enter the pageants given that from a scientific analysis of eunuchoidism this group is much better positioned to appear more statuesque, long legged, youthful, clear-skinned, energetic and robust. (Eunuchs also have differing natural cognitive abilities than either mature men or women too, not that that would make much of a difference.)

And yes the ancients as in Queen Esther's time DID posess the knowledge with which to make eunuchs effeminate (Natural herbs, mare's/cow's urine which is exactly what our estrogen pills are anyway.) Many born-eunuchs develop gynomastia at puberty anyway since apparently their bodies are producing their own natural estrogen. I was one.
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I have a naturally suspicious nature. While Mr Trump may be a sleaze ball, he is a very astute manipulator of the media. This is, after all, a B list beauty pagent that would, in the normal course of affairs, pass with barely a blip of media attention.. By tossing out a very beautiful trans contestant, the pageant has garnered vastly more publicity than it would normally get. And if a campaign is mounted to reinstate her, and she is reinstated, the actual contest's publicity will increase by an order of magnitude, thus putting more money in Mr Trumps pockets.

The furor over Isis on "Next Top Model" had a similar affect on ratings.

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Does Trump trump Canada? No.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/abc-blogs/t ... ities.html

Trump Won't Bar Transsexual Beauty Queen From Shot at Miss Universe Canada Title

"The Miss Universe Organization will allow Jenna Talackova to compete in the 2012 Miss Universe Canada pageant provided she meets the legal gender recognition requirements of Canada, and the standards established by other international competitions," Michael D. Cohen, executive vice president and special counsel to Donald Trump, said in an email. . . "

Moi

BTW I'm Jewish and Ms. Talackova just lacks the ( )0( ) for my vote. ;)

I would let her compete and lose gracefully.
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Let us be absolutely clear here. Canada did not try and disqualify Miss Jenna Talackova from competing. That was totally Donald Trump's company that did that.

This was a bad business decision, not a political decision.

If someone gets disqualified from America's Got Talent, it wasn't your state Governor, or President that made that call, it was the company that owns America's Got Talent, or the show's producers.

Canada is innocent in all of this, and I think once Trump's organization looked into the Canadian laws, they realized they were going to be in a world of hurt if they let the decision stand. Canada has some pretty good anti-discrimination laws. (Passport issues notwithstanding) Once they realized just how in violation of the law they actually were, they reversed course. Wouldn't want the whole show shut down because they trampled on someone's rights. Not to mention the monetary loss if they were successfully sued.

I'm glad Jenna will be able to compete. She's from my neck of the world. I hope she goes far.
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I doubt Canada as a social entity is innocent. I've spoke to a gender-neutral person living in Canada recently. He or she states that the last election the country voted for a socially conservative government that has already resulted in the new anti-trans flying laws. I've heard there's a lot of transphobia running rampant of late in Canada too... so..... yea... Canada innocent? Maybe not.
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punkypink (imported) wrote: Thu Apr 05, 2012 4:45 pm I doubt Canada as a social entity is innocent. I've spoke to a gender-neutral person living in Canada recently. He or she states that the last election the country voted for a socially conservative government that has already resulted in the new anti-trans flying laws. I've heard there's a lot of transphobia running rampant of late in Canada too... so..... yea... Canada innocent? Maybe not.

I'm not saying Canada is perfect by any means. Nor do I agree with the provision that states you have to look like the gender it says on your passport. It is just stupid.

We still have a long way to go as both a country and as a world.

It might surprise you to know that I think of myself as belonging to the trans community, though you'd probably label me a poser. After all, I look male, was born male, and it says male on my passport. How could I possible understand your issues?

I think of myself as trans because I don't think of myself as male. Males confuse me. Their thinking, their drives, their motivations, that is just not who I am. I'm sorry to say, the same goes for women. I get them about as much as I get men, which is not at all.

I'm lucky that I don't suffer the kind of outward prejudice for sexual identity that you do. I can pass. But I still have to hide what I am. I can't trust that people will understand what I am and want to be. I find having no sexual desire to be as difficult as having desire for same sex. I find identifying as neither sex as difficult as identifying the opposite of what I was born.

I don't identify as homosexual, heterosexual, bisexual, male or female. The only gender I seem to identify with is the eunuch gender. So I was born one thing, but am really another. If you think I am comfortable in my body, and the gender I was granted at birth, then you can't really understand me.

I'm not going to be so stupid as to ever claim I can understand what it is to try and wear my inner identity on the outside. I'm too much of a coward for that. I envy your strength, and your conviction. I have none of that. It shames me.

I do however root for people like Jenna, and her plight. I feel I have an investment in how people like her are treated. A victory for her, is a victory for myself, even if I'm too chicken shit to put myself out there as she has.

I count myself lucky that I live in a country where Gays have been able to serve openly in the military for many years. Where same sex marriage is legal. Where when an American running a beauty contest in Canada, is shamed into doing the right thing, because our laws don't allow for his bigotry.

I'm proud of Canada, but am aware we have a long way to go. I'm rooting for tolerance to win out over stupidity. Maybe one day, I'll have the courage to live on the outside, what I really am underneath. People like Jenna are the pioneers, and I owe people like her (and you) a debt of gratitude. I see your victories as my own, even if you'll find me hiding under a table, while the rest of you are out there fighting for what is right.

No, I'm not transsexual, but I share your motivations. Your struggles are the closest to my own struggles.

Does Canada need to evolve? Yes. So does the whole damn world. So do I.

Until then, I'll praise my nation's advances, and condemn its failures. I take comfort in the fact that we're not the least backward nation on the planet.

No, Canada is not innocent of prejudice. But at least we were innocent in this latest atrocity from Donald Trump.
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moi621 (imported) wrote: Tue Apr 03, 2012 10:21 pm Does Trump trump Canada? No.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/abc-blogs/t ... ities.html

Ms. Talackova just lacks the
moi621 (imported) wrote: Tue Apr 03, 2012 10:21 pm ( )0( ) for my vote. ;)

I would let her compete and lose gracefully.



Oh, now I see why you are so enthusiastic about Ron Paul-- because he's such an ass!
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Canada seems to be sliding backwards. As for me, I don't have much strength left. I might not be here tomorrow anymore
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punkypink (imported) wrote: Fri Apr 06, 2012 5:41 am Canada seems to be sliding backwards. As for me, I don't have much strength left. I might not be here tomorrow anymore

You can't do that.
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