Things I believe but can't prove and other things that bother me.

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Ohhh no it's actually related to those things in the background in your avatar. a MiG 15 helmet!

Lol that joke about the new calander is awesome!
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butterflyjack (imported) wrote: Tue Apr 10, 2012 9:02 am The only problem with taxing all savings, is that no-one in their right mind would save anything...Ergo :no savings...Ergo: a s---load of borrowing...Not good...

Although I like the thought behind it...How bout we just make capital gains regular income, as it should be...That way Willard would have about 1/2 his present income...only a few million a year...poor bastard...Hehe smooches Jackie
The interest on savings is taxed as ordinary income. Isn't that enough?
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punkypink (imported) wrote: Tue Apr 10, 2012 9:08 pm You'd be surprised. Look on youtube, at the number of comments defending the crazy history channel alien guy.
None of us know what the future holds or just what might happen. If Columbus hadn't challenged the fact that the world was flat where would we be today? You don't have to accept any particular view but some of them are rather interesting and thought provoking.
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Mac (imported) wrote: Wed Apr 11, 2012 9:06 am None of us know what the future holds or just what might happen. If Columbus hadn't challenged the fact that the world was flat where would we be today? You don't have to accept any particular view but some of them are rather interesting and thought provoking.

Columbus challenged that fact based on already existing scientific knowledge. The ancient Greeks and Romans knew the earth wasn't flat. Mr Crazy Alien guy has absolutely no basis for the sort of stuff he's saying. Actually WATCH one of his shows before you say anything else. But don't worry I won't be around to see your reply.
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punkypink (imported) wrote: Wed Apr 11, 2012 12:54 pm olumbus challenged that fact based on already existing scientific knowledge. The ancient greeks and romans knew the earth wasn't flat. Mr crazy alien guy has absolutely no basis for the sort of stuff he's saying. Actually watch one of his shows before you say anything else. But don't worry
i won't be around to see your reply.

Don't go! We need you here!
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I'm sorry. When the day comes when it's fine to say "I am ok with girls kissing but not men kissing" on the EA, it's clear this is no longer a place I feel comfortable in. And no it is NOT preference to say that one dislikes seeing guys kiss. I'm lesbian, I'm WAY more into seeing girls kiss than just about any of you and even I don't find 2 guys kissing an issue. It won't turn me on, but I can watch it just fine, it's no different to watching clouds floating by in the sky, or fish swim in the sea, or cars on the road. I don't believe when a mod has the gumptons to come out and say "it's fine to express prejudiced heterosexist views" on what was supposedly a progressive site, then that site is no longer progressive enough. So well, I'm gone, and you and everyone else are free to say all the biased, hateful, prejudiced things you want to say now without any fear of someone "insulting" you for calling out prejudice or hate for what it is. You should be happy about that.

And the only reason this reply is even made is because I've come to save the stuff from my signature, as I am fully expecting someone to edit and remove my signature for pointing out what the clear difference between prejudice and preference is.
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Punky, even my Old Russian Mother in Law felt ladies kissing was pleasant but not among guys.

Women just have more graceful attractive bodies. This attraction seems universally shared with a larger & diverse crowd then those who feel "good" as they watch to men exchanging <censored>.

That's just the way it is.

How about appreciating "we" are more open two discuss such tender subjects.

Moi
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A-1 (imported) wrote: Tue Apr 10, 2012 7:19 am Alternate "TRUTHS" and "alternate realities" routinely denies empirical evidence to the contrary of those "TRUTHS" and "alternate realities".

If you consider yourself to be "IN" this world certain common grounding points must be accepted. Otherwise, chaos ensues and the rest of the world comes to bear on what the evidence shows or does not show.

"Feelings" can get one in DEEP, DEEP trouble. You cannot "believe" what you can "prove" empirically. You can only "believe" what you CANNOT "prove". Faith without any sort of "proof" causes GRIEF... especially for those who "believe" otherwise than the majority "believes".

Beliefs no matter how strongly felt DO NOT give one carte blanche (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/carte+blanche) to act on their "feelings" justifiably at the expense of the minority.

It sounds as if you may be confusing truth with conviction. While I accept that others have a truth that may be different from my own, my truth is still my truth. That acknowledges that to me and only me, in my truth, people can be wrong. But while being totally wrong in my truth, they may be totally right in their own truth. I truly see the world this way and it explains a lot.

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butterflyjack (imported) wrote: Tue Apr 10, 2012 9:02 am The only problem with taxing all savings, is that no-one in their right mind would save anything...Ergo :no savings...Ergo: a s---load of borrowing...Not good...

Although I like the thought behind it...How bout we just make capital gains regular income, as it should be...That way Willard would have about 1/2 his present income...only a few million a year...poor bastard...Hehe smooches Jackie

Under my tax plan there is no such thing as capitol gains being taxed at a different rate. That is just a scam so rich people can pay less tax. A capitol gain is still a capital gain. A house, a car, a motorcycle would not be a capitol gain, A second house, a second car, a second motorcycle would be. Basically, no stockpiling of goods to protect money as a savings account. Sell anything at a profit and it's a capitol gain and subject to taxation. So, you can buy a new bigger house and not pay taxes, as long as you sell your existing house. And of course the sales of that house, would be taxable as it's income. So anyone can have the biggest and the best of everything, just not two of them without paying taxes. That would be stockpiling, which is the same as storing money.

And besides, saving are all taxed right now anyway and that doesn't keep people from saving. But yes, the whole idea is to prevent people from stockpiling wealth and reinvesting it in the economy. Once one has more than they can consume, saving becomes the only option, even at a high tax rate.

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punkypink (imported) wrote: Wed Apr 11, 2012 1:10 pm I'm sorry. When the day comes when it's fine to say "I am ok with girls kissing but not men kissing" on the EA, it's clear this is no longer a place I feel comfortable in. And no it is NOT preference to say that one dislikes seeing guys kiss. I'm lesbian, I'm WAY more into seeing girls kiss than just about any of you and even I don't find 2 guys kissing an issue. It won't turn me on, but I can watch it just fine, it's no different to watching clouds floating by in the sky, or fish swim in the sea, or cars on the road. I don't believe when a mod has the gumptons to come out and say "it's fine to express prejudiced heterosexist views" on what was supposedly a progressive site, then that site is no longer progressive enough. So well, I'm gone, and you and everyone else are free to say all the biased, hateful, prejudiced things you want to say now without any fear of someone "insulting" you for calling out prejudice or hate for what it is. You should be happy about that.

And the only reason this reply is even made is because I've come to save the stuff from my signature, as I am fully expecting someone to edit and remove my signature for pointing out what the clear difference between prejudice and preference is.

Humans has this thing about unique experiences because we don't know how we will respond to it. I love watching girls kiss. I think it's incredibly erotic and a soft and compassionate way to engage with another human being. But still, the first time I seen men kiss it was shocking to me. Not because men lack the ability to be soft or compassionate, but because I have not been exposed to it. It's something I am not used to. I was raised around tough men, construction workers, bikers, railroad workers. Not exactly the type of men one would expect to be caring and compassionate.

But it turns out men have those qualities, just hidden down below. So seeing men kissing is still somewhat disturbing to see because it does not fit the model of men that I have in my mind. Just like it's disturbing to me to see men or women lick a man's asshole. For some reason when a man does this to a woman or a woman does this to a woman, I think nothing of it. It's all about what we are conditioned to. I don't think people can help how they respond to seeing something they are not used to seeing and I don't think it makes them bigoted or bad people.

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