Why the need to live a long life?

[purpletomato (imported)]

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Others can not make one happy or unhappy

" -- gotta disagree, we all live in a society where we need the support of certain, and those people are not easily replaceable should they behave uncharitably.

To mention another point, I think Tugon's story about medical professionals not having formal training in the matter of death makes them seem not so much better than insurance company executives.

[punkypink (imported)]

If I would love to date but keep getting rejected at turn after turn for superficial reasons, really, that isn't going to affect me?

Does one not feel despair when faced with the worst of humanity?

River, I don't go around with a chip on my shoulder. Yes so I'm not getting beaten up, but compared to other gay people today? It's not a lifestyle, I didn't choose to be the way I am, or to be non-body dysmorphic. I could of course, just take the coward's route and do what every other trans person does, and then be even more miserable the rest of my life having sold out and made a decision which frankly is wrong for me.

For example, I can't even go into the EA chatroom without some f**ktards in there calling me a guy. When it's harder to be accepted as a girl on the EA than it is for some of you to be accepted with Eunuchs you know it's a bloody uphill struggle. Nay, not uphill, vertical effing cliff.

[Riverwind (imported)]

I am truly sorry, I would have thought better of the chat room, then again with the time differences are there ops in there when you are there?

For the record, I have always thought of you as female. Its whats between your ears not what is between your legs that makes that difference.

Don't loose hope, keep trying and I will keep pulling for you.

River

[Elizabeth (imported)]

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Others can not make one happy or unhappy

" -- gotta disagree, we all live in a society where we need the support of certain, and those people are not easily replaceable should they behave uncharitably.

To mention another point, I think Tugon's story about medical professionals not having formal training in the matter of death makes them s
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eem not so much better than insurance company executives.

I just want to make sure I am getting this straight. What you are telling me is that you have made it the responsibility of others to make you happy? Boy are you going to get let down. Perhaps you confused what I was saying. I am not saying I can't be happy in the presence of others or that I don't add to the happiness of my life with the people I surround myself with, I do both of those things. But not because I depend on others to be happy. If I lost every relationship I currently have, I could still be happy. I don't oblige my friends and family with the burden that it is their responsibility to make sure I am happy. So let me rephrase what I said into something more understandable.

In my opinion, o

thers can not make one happy or unhappy,

the decision to be happy comes from feeling satisfied with ones life. And by the same token, I don't make it my responsibility to make others happy. Glaring eyes, rude or sarcastic comments, pointing or pointing and laughing, pouting, with holding of affection, etc, etc., are all attempts to make it the responsibility of others to make one happy. I don't do those things and I don't respond to those things. Quite frankly, I know enough to know, in my opinion, that people expect others to make them happy and as a result always end up disappointed.

And also, not relying on others for my happiness, I avoid being manipulated as well as not giving my power away to anyone. If I am unhappy, it is because I choose to be.

Elizabeth

[Elizabeth (imported)]

This thread started out aobut one thing, and morphed into another. I'll address both issues.

1. We do spend way too much money trying to save the sick and dying who will never enjoy what I would consider to be an acceptable quality of life. Keeping brain dead people alive with machines, at HORRENDOUS costs is absurd!The heroic measures that are undertaken with severely disabled children , only to leave families financially ruined, and saddled with care of an aging child for life is rather foolish. That said, far be it for me to attempt to walk in the shoes of another when it comes to things like that.

2. As for the reality of life. I was raised catholic, and while I am often in disaggreement with the positions of the church, and with many of its doctrines, I still feel that there is no way that such a thing as the world that we know just happened. I am not a believer in the "Big Bang Theory". I would like to think that once this life is over that there is something else, but I am pragmatic enough to question that.

3. Those that live life as though today may be the last , never look very far forward , and doom themselves to a sketchy exixtance. I am realistic, and barring some illness, that I don't yet know about , will likely have another 20-25 years here. I use each day to try to provide for those years, and be prepared for them. Sure, tomorrow could be the last day, and indeed several times in my life so far, I have faced a near death experience, but that does not stop me from looking to the future.

I have oft said that I hope to last long enough that the much younger generations of my family will say " is that old bastard still alive?" I only want that though if my quality of life can be maintained. I will be at great peace when the time comes to lay down , and fade away. I just hope that through my actions, and deeds, that as time passes that my memory will survive in future generations.

Raymar

Hey Raymar,

Sorry, I meant to respond to this earlier, but just didn't remember. I have a little mental exercise for you. Just answer this question to yourself. When was the last time your five year forecast was correct?

There is no planning for the future, it's unpredictable. The past is unmovable and therefore irrelevant. There is only right now. How I feel right in this moment is all that matters. All I have to remember is that the good ol days are happening right now, every second of every day. No moment more precious than any other. Waiting for some day in the future where I will allegedly be happy if I just accept being unhappy right now, is a fools errand in my opinion. It's not what happens to me that matters, it's how I respond to it. I truly can decide to be happy or not.

Elizabeth

[punkypink (imported)]

I am truly sorry, I would have thought better of the chat room, then again with the time differences are there ops in there when you are there?

For the record, I have always thought of you as female. Its whats between your ears not what is between your legs that makes that difference.

Don't loose hope, keep trying and I will keep pulling for you.

River

Let's just say, there are a lot of people in that chatroom who need to be banned until they learn. Nobody who knows me, knows my personality would think me anything but a girl. Those assholes however, make the judgement that I'm a guy solely on 30 seconds of talking to me and ASSUMING i must be a "guy pretending to be a girl".

Typical opening lines:

"Trans or woman?" (what does that even mean? it's retarded, it's like asking "chinese or woman", makes no f**king sense, and assuming they mean trans women or women, by asking that they're already showing their mindset, that trans women are not in the same group as women)

"Are you a real woman?" (once again, implying anything that isn't biologically female isn't "real" women. usually said by the assholes who know sod-all about gender other than whatever sort of bullshit they've been fed from society and from fetish sites. who will then try to show why their "understanding", or lack thereof, of gender is "superior" [BECAUSE ITS ESSENTIAL TO THEIR MASTURBATION FANTASIES!!!])

And of course, at the point that garbage spews out of their mouth, I haven't even told them ANYTHING about my physical self and they're already jumping to conclusions. It's why I seldom go into the chatroom, I can think of maybe 3 people who are either not on the forums or who're more active on the chatroom whom I primarily go there to speak to. Everyone else just ends up ruining my day.

So yea, I want to live a long life. Either to get to a point where complete f***tards like that become the minority, or are completely extinct, or hey, just to outlive the current f***tards for the heck of getting one over them.

[Dave (imported)]

I don't know about the rest of you but I plan to live forever.

[transward (imported)]

I don't know about the rest of you but I plan to live forever.

Be careful what you wish for. Remember the Greek myth of Tithonus. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tithonus)

According to the Homeric Hymn to Aphrodite, when Eos asked Zeus to make Tithonus immortal, she forgot to ask for eternal youth. Tithonus indeed lived forever

"but when loathsome old age pressed full upon him, and he could not move nor lift his limbs, this seemed to her in her heart the best counsel: she laid him in a room and put to the shining doors. There he babbles endlessly, and no more has strength at all, such as once he had in his supple limbs." (Homeric Hymn to Aphrodite)

In later tellings he eventually turned into a cicada, eternally living, but begging for death to overcome him.

Transward

[Riverwind (imported)]

I am with Dave, I have lived forever and will continue.

River

[Elizabeth (imported)]

Let's just say, there are a lot of people in that chatroom who need to be banned until they learn. Nobody who knows me, knows my personality would think me anything but a girl. Those assholes however, make the judgement that I'm a guy solely on 30 seconds of talking to me and ASSUMING i must be a "guy pretending to be a girl".

Typical opening lines:

"Trans or woman?" (what does that even mean? it's retarded, it's like asking "chinese or woman", makes no f**king sense, and assuming they mean trans women or women, by asking that they're already showing their mindset, that trans women are not in the same group as women)

"Are you a real woman?" (once again, implying anything that isn't biologically female isn't "real" women. usually said by the assholes who know sod-all about gender other than whatever sort of bullshit they've been fed from society and from fetish sites. who will then try to show why their "understanding", or lack thereof, of gender is "superior" [BECAUSE ITS ESSENTIAL TO THEIR MASTURBATION FANTASIES!!!])

And of course, at the point that garbage spews out of their mouth, I haven't even told them ANYTHING about my physical self and they're already jumping to conclusions. It's why I seldom go into the chatroom, I can think of maybe 3 people who are either not on the forums or who're more active on the chatroom whom I primarily go there to speak to. Everyone else just ends up ruining my day.

So yea, I want to live a long life. Either to get to a point where complete f***tards like that become the minority, or are completely extinct, or hey, just to outlive the current f***tards for the heck of getting one over them.

I don't allow others to define who or what I am. I could give a crap what anyone thinks. I see most of that behavior as projecting their own insecurity, not any real statement about someone they do not even know. Anyone who thinks that having or not having a penis makes them a "woman" or not, would not be the kind of person that should be telling others what they are or are not.

I have always thought of you as being a woman. And I certainly have never seen you anatomy. As is the case with most of the women I have ever known in my life. So when people ask me silly questions like "are you a woman or a trans?", I know that we are not going to be on the same page at all. I do not need a vagina to affirm who I am, especially to myself. And I kind of think it's silly when I hear people talk that way.

I have learned to accept that "you just can't fix stupid".

Elizabeth