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DavidB (imported) wrote: Sun Nov 13, 2011 3:22 am The Doctor was wrong, but MJ would have gotten the drugs from somebody elses no matter what. I am just surpirssed how the public has idolized him even more since his death and has forgotten that he was a child molester. What short memories we have.

I don't think anyone has forgotten. If he were still alive, I'm sure we'd be hearing about his latest scandal. The man was screwed up on so many levels.

Now that he is dead though, you have to admit the mark he made on music. He WAS influential.

And after all... How much can you punish a dead guy for his crimes? It is not like we can dig him up and put him on trial.

"Weekend at Bernies 3: MJ's Reparations"

Watch as people refuse to acknowledge the King of Pop's demise, and prop the corpse up in the witness box for one last kick at justice. Hilarity ensues.
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This is NOT unique.

The same thing happened when Elvis Presley died...

That was what, 1977? Times were different then. Oh, (they said) he died of a MASSIVE coronary in the bathroom while taking a DUMP...

Yeah, sure he did. He died in BED of a BIG drug overdose...

...and he didn't even have a doctor... he had a DENTIST prescribing his drugs.

Did you know that Richard Nixon had made Elvis an 'HONORARY' DEA agent so that he would not get 'nabbed' on his private plane flying in and out of the country with drugs aboard?

Heaven forbid he should get caught with drugs on his plane like Ray Charles did and get FORCED into re-hab...

Everyone enables these people so that they can get money and then when they die because they haven't got a REAL FRIEND in the world the scapegoating begins.

Well, EVERYBODY IS IMPLICATED... from the closest relatives to the handlers right down to the fans. We ALL shared in this one. M.J. cheated everybody with his shenanigans, everybody but the Grim Reaper.
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I agree to point A-1 but it is also likley that they and their groupies drove away any real friends long before it got to the point of an overdose.

Murray was a doctor, he took an oath he broke it. Could Jackson have destroyed himself without Murray? yes. But Murray did not have to do what he did.

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Don't misunderstand me, the doctor was wrong however, if someone is a drug addict you don't cut him off cold, you wean him off slowly, I am still not convinced that the doctor gave him a fatal shot of this shit, and why should he have called 911? he is a doctor are we saying that paramedics have more experience than a doctor?

Lets face it, MJ was a drug overdose waiting to happen. who is at fault? starting with MJ everybody who handled him, his family, not sure he had friends, and finally his doctor.

So who killed MJ,

MJ. personal responsibility.

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Riverwind (imported) wrote: Sun Nov 13, 2011 11:50 am Don't misunderstand me, the doctor was wrong however, if someone is a drug addict you don't cut him off cold, you wean him off slowly, I am still not convinced that the doctor gave him a fatal shot of this shit, and why should he have called 911? he is a doctor are we saying that paramedics have more experience than a doctor?

Lets face it, MJ was a drug overdose waiting to happen. who is at fault? starting with MJ everybody who handled him, his family, not sure he had friends, and finally his doctor.

So who killed MJ,

MJ. personal responsibility.

River

He isn't just a doctor, he is a cardiologist. He's not specialized in administration of anesthetics. Whenever you have surgery, there is the surgeon AND the anesthetist. Murray had no business playing around with medications that were outside his field.
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So are you saying that the Doctor was less qualified then a paramedic? Any doctor can prescribe medication, as well as some others in the medical field.

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Riverwind (imported) wrote: Sun Nov 13, 2011 2:16 pm So are you saying that the Doctor was less qualified then a paramedic? Any doctor can prescribe medication, as well as some others in the medical field.

River

How often does a paramedic review intubation and how many times did Dr. Merry Murrey, recently?

Murrey succumbed to the lure of $ $ $ and not the patient's best interest.

He violated "standards of practice".

Down on their luck physicians can always make a buck running a "drug mill". Rx in bad faith ala Rush's or Elvis' doctor. They should be prosecuted both professionally by the licensing medical Boards and in civil court where they cause criminal harm and if in large volumes - as a street drug pusher.

They know what they are doing, just like a seller of 'derivatives'.

Regardless of personal circumstances, Dr. Murrey violated standards of practice and caused harm. He should loose his license for a while and when reacquired be denied a DEA number necessary to Rx narcotics.

I have not figured out what degree of needless death he should have been convicted, obviously not first degree murder, and I would appreciate someone listing them and defining. Thanks 🙏

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He was less qualified in that he tried to do CPR on the bed. It must be done on a hard surface. All doctors can prescribe, but ethical ones don't prescribe medications outside of their field of specialty. My primary doctor for instance leaves it to my Endocrinologist to prescribe my Testosterone. My pain specialist prescribed me what I need to function, and not that I'm on maintenance mode lets my Primary do it. My pain doctor wouldn't give me anti-cholesterol medications, nor would my Endo give me migraine meds.

A cardiologist is simply NOT an anesthesiologist and has no business using those medications, let alone using them in a venue that it is never supposed to be used in.

He is the fall-guy in the sick story....but the guilt goes from Michael, to his parents, and anyone who enabled his destructive behaviors.
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The licensed professional who violates the terms of his license is a criminal.

It does NOT matter if it was MJ's doc or your doctor.

The details may be juicy but do not alter the facts of his malpractice and criminal loss of life.

What part of that does anyone disagree?

Murray just happens to be black. End reverse discrimination too. 📢

Moi

bleeding :hearthrob Liberals 😠 😡 :realpisse

Oh the poor black man being scapegoated. 🤮
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moi621 (imported) wrote: Sun Nov 13, 2011 6:22 pm The licensed professional who violates the terms of his license is a criminal.

It does NOT matter if it was MJ's doc or your doctor.

The details may be juicy but do not alter the facts of his malpractice and criminal loss of life.

What part of that does anyone disagree?

Murray just happens to be black. End reverse discrimination too. 📢

Moi

bleeding :hearthrob Liberals 😠 😡 :realpisse

Oh the poor black man being scapegoated. 🤮

well the words in red made a lot of sense. however you killed by bringing up race and politics buddy
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