Pinhole castration?

[dodo1943 (imported)]

I'm looking for confirmation/otherwise that I have effectively castrated myself using a new minimally invasive technic (see 'spermatic cord ligation' on Google) Ihave ligated one or both cords about sixtimes over the last eighteen months, leaving the ligature inplace for betwwen 36 and 100 hours. The first attempts were marked by all the symptoms of testicular torsion, but these have gone latterly, and most swelling now takes place when I release the ligature. My testes have shrunk, sothat my 'package' is now ca. 2/3 volume it was. My prostate has also shrunk; the posterior lobe on DRE is about the size of my middle finger tip, firm smooth with no groove. My subcutaneous fat has changed but I have just lost about 2-3lbs in weight. I ahve much more fat around thighs and buttocks and on the front of my belly than I did a year ago. My boobs have swollen a little and are more sensitive. I still get erections some nights, and my ejacujate is clear yellow. I do not want sex of any sort. My balls have lost most of their sensation. Have I done the job?

[talula]

Consult a doctor?

[eunuch2001 (imported)]

Interesting castration technique, but I'd worry about the possibility of gangrene. If you follow Talula's advice to consult a doctor you'd know for certain if you've done the job.

[dodo1943 (imported)]

Thanks for replies. The trouble with consulting a doctor is that you can get locked into a set of sequential medical interventions epsecially when private (fee-paying) medicine is concerned. Say I go to my GP complaining of lowered libido... s/he'll charge me 75euro and take some blood for plasma testosterone and for PSA, s/he will do a manual examination and see my subincision and partial glans splitting, and will probably also do a DRE to assess the state of my prostate. My wife won't understand my reason for going, having had no intercourse for 16 years. So, then the results come back; as my last PSA was normal (when my prostate was about 4x its present volume) this one will be low. Perhaps the testosterone level will be low and I'll be offered HRT (and further tests to assess my suitability) which I would rather decline. Or more likely I'd be referred to a specialist urologist... more examinations and possible embarrassment....

I was a little concerned about gangrene having read as much as I could on this site and elsewhere. However, the equipment I used (locking forceps, needle and dental tape) was sterilised immediately before use, and I have never had any trace of an infection problem. Secondly, the degree of cut-off of arterial supply I could achieve with an external ligature could never be 100%. The venous return was completely stopped by the ligature and that explains part of the swelling during the ligated period. As for the effects, I could never check for sperm, as I was vasectomised in 1971, and I get the impression for the experimental lmedical literature that the testosterone producing cells are much more resistant to anoxia than the sperm producing cells. Maybe I should be happy with what I have achieved (zero libido with only one hot flash since I started ligations) and only do top-up ligations if the signs of returning/increasing testosterone disturb the peace.

[janekane (imported)]

Perhaps some of what I have learned through living my life may usefully be shared here. For the chance of that, I am writing and posting these words.

My dad and brother died in consequence of cancer and I have the same "cancer gene." If I do not get timely and effective cancer-preventive medical care, I can expect to die from cancer far sooner than if I get timely and effective preventive care.

I seem to not have the luxury of withholding any relevant information from physicians.

As one of many (how many, I have no clue) married eunuchs, my wife will understand my reasons because I explain them to her in as much detail as she can usefully understand.

If I find a medical procedure wisely accomplished and I meet with a physician who disagrees with my view, I set out in search of a physician who is adequately competent to understand my life and the medical needs of my life. In the United States of America, I am among what may be thought of as "lucky" because I acquired health insurance through working which allows me to choose my physicians according to my sense of their relevant medical competence. Such medical care is not available everywhere nor to everyone.

For a short time, I had insurance which required that I "obey" my assigned physician(s); fortunately for me, I had double insurance, and the second insurance allowed me to choose physicians whom I was able to trust.

It may take a while for the WPATH allowing Male-to-Eunuch as a valid form of transgenderism to filter into medical practice world-wide. I wonder if citing the 2011 WPATH Standards of Care might facilitate getting better medical care?

Were it feasible to do so, I would tend to seek only a testosterone level measurement as a way of finding the effectiveness of the "pinhole castration" method.

Male to Eunuch having made the WPATH SoC, why not avow being as normal and as unique as is everyone else?

[Sweetpickle (imported)]

Look for a lab that will do a self-ordered T level.

Look on the internet for labs.

[dodo1943 (imported)]

Thankyou JaneKane for your thoughts; my father died of prostate cancer aged 76; I don't have a brother, but my brother-in-law was operated on for prostate cancer a year ago when he was 70; my mother's brother had BPH, but died from a heart attack when he was only 72. I am 68. I had many of the signs of BPH when I was a sex addicted 52 year old, but managed to reverse the BPH by careful diet and by reducing my sex drive. My last PSA (three years ago) was normal. I have a deep distrust of medics, partly from having trained with them (in pre-clinical Human Physiology) and having taught them preclinical plant and mycological science for 35 years. They have very arrogant attitudes to non-medics ('patients'!), and most regard prevention of disease as very bad for business. I do have access to a (female) urologic surgeon who patched my left scrotum up after an unsuccessful attempt to remove my left testis in 1999. She earns a lot of her money by coring prostates, so may not be keen on its prevention.

Thanks for your suggestion, Sweetpickle; I will go searching. A lab. to which I could send a series of samples might throw some light on the lasting effectiveness of anoxia on T-producing cells.

[bestofboth (imported)]

If all the symptoms you mention appeared within the last year or so, chances are good that you did the job - they are very typical for hypogonadism. If they appeared more slowly over the last several years, natural aging processes (often starting within one 50´s) can be blamed. But, is the WHY really important? You seem to be happy with what you have now, and THAT is important. I can understand your reservations about seeing a doctor. If you are healthy, there is no need for a doctor - and being castrated is not unhealthy per se

Just have an eye on the usual: osteoporosis, adipositas, depression. If nothing of that shows up - fine!

And don´t overrate the importance of lab parameters.

[dodo1943 (imported)]

Thankyou, BestofBoth, for your reply and for your detailed blogs. The latter were just what I have been searching for....a thoughtful detailed analysis of what happens after orchieectomy, with the added bonus of the same quality of analysis of the effects of oestrogen and testosterone replacement. As for me, I fear that the T-producing cells are beginning to recover, just over 6 weeks after the last ligation. My package size is returning to old normal, the fat deposits are reducing (they had only appeared over the last six months). I am getting nocturnal erections but not spontaneous ones, and my scrotum is mostly relaxed rather than mostly bunched up tight. Time for another ligation soon!

[bestofboth (imported)]

You´re welcome! As you can see, your experiences have been very similar to mine. Some recurrences of T effects as you describe are possible even after castration, I had similar experiences for a while. Perhaps some T peaks produced by the adrenal glands, kind of an replacment attempt. But of course, recovery of your damaged testes is possibly, and the Leydig cells (T producers) are the more resistant tissue of the testicles. But be careful with your ligations because of infection! Each attempt is another risk...