DEPO PROVERA - judicial castration and paraphilia treatment dosages.

[innocent_in_574 (imported)]

I have used depo provera a few times over the years to reduce my sex drive (which helps my marriage tremendously). Usually I have started with 300 mg (two injections) and followed up with 150 mg weekly and tapered the dose to 150 mg monthly. The results were noticeable in that I no longer had erections and an orgasm was very difficult to achieve. My sex drive was definately lowered but not eliminated. I didn't have the "physical" desires like before, but I still had strong "mental" desires and usually masturbated daily to keep myself under control. I usually stopped taking the shots after about six months and the effects would continue for about two or three more months when my strong desires would start to return. My strong desires usually involve very kinky and risky behaviors that my wife has very little interest in. I really think I suffer from paraphilia which is sometimes treated with depo-provera dosages similar to what sex offenders receive. My paraphilia does NOT involve children or non-consensual activity with anyone. It mainly involves heavy CBT, BDSM, humiliation and transvestitism. WHen I am not taking depo provera these sexual thoughts and activities become an obsession and everything else in my life takes a back seat to me satisfying my needs.

After doing reasearch into chemical castration for sex offenders, or men suffering from paraphilia, I have learned that the doses used are between 300 mg and 800 mg a week. Does anyone have experience with this level of dosing? I can't imagine the side effects being too severe or there would be lawsuits from the offenders and the ACLU and chemical castration would not be used as often as it is. I read that with these doses a man's testosterone can be reduced to pre-puberty levels, which is the goal of the courts.

Does anyone know if surgical castration reduces testosterone to pre-puberty levels? I know other parts of the body also produce testosterone so it can't be totally eliminated with surgical castration.

My wife and I have discussed resuming my chemical castration and trying a higher dose similar to what sex offenders are required to take. I'm sure in the past my testerone levels were lowered, but not lowered anywhere near pre-puberty levels. She has always been enthusiastic of me taking depo provera shots and is eager to see what results higher doses will provide. When I can control my obsession with kinky sexual activities our marriage is wonderful for both of us. I am hoping to get some feedback and comments from others with knowledge on the subject before I start so I can make a well informed decision about dosing as well as duration of using it.

Any help is appreciated.

[zipjeffboston (imported)]

I started taking 300mg a week. After 6 weeks my dose was increased to 450mg weekly. After about 6 of weeks at that level I was no longer able to get an erection and rarely had thoughts of sex. I maintain that does for 3 years. I've been off Depo Provera for almost 4 years. Today, my T level is 179 and I'm pretty much impotent.

[innocent_in_574 (imported)]

Thanks for sharing your experience. How does your current T level compare to pre-puberty levels? You said you are pretty much impotent, is that only physical or is your libido still reduced as well?

Why did you use such a high dose? Or was it not voluntary?

[Caith721 (imported)]

Does anyone know if surgical castration reduces testosterone to pre-puberty levels? I know other parts of the body also produce testosterone so it can't be totally eliminated with surgical castration.

In my case, two months after orchiectomy my T level is at 10. That's produced by the adrenal glands that sit atop the kidneys. I'd guess that's a "pre-puberty" level.

[SplitDik (imported)]

I really think I suffer from paraphilia which is sometimes treated with depo-provera dosages similar to what sex offenders receive. My paraphilia does NOT involve children or non-consensual activity with anyone. It mainly involves heavy CBT, BDSM, humiliation and transvestitism. WHen I am not taking depo provera these sexual thoughts and activities become an obsession and everything else in my life takes a back seat to me satisfying my needs.

Your situation is exactly like mine. I have strong obsession with sexual masochism. Yes it is a paraphilia/fetish and several psychiatrists and psychologists have diagnosed me as such. There is no explanation for it (wasn't abused as a child, have no gender identity issue, etc.). It is really like obsession/compulsion where I'll get an urge to hurt myself and everything else in my life suffers until I eventually give into the urge, am briefly satisfied until the obsession starts to build again. It really can hurt ones' life -- I'd actually skip work to visit dominatrixes, spent LOTS of money on them, would not be focussed with my relationship, kids, work, etc. Very distracting, and in fact harmful to my health -- I ended up in emergency many times from CBT related injuries. So it is natural to want it to stop.

However, if you are like me, you do like being a man and probably like sex (except for the fact that sex is "poisoned" by the masochistic obsession). In other words, you don't really want to be sexless but feel that it might be necessary to escape the problems of the paraphilia.

I suggest you try other things besides castration. Have you tried getting actually treated for paraphilia? Doctors will prescribe SSRI drugs and for me they worked great. I used Celexa. SSRI drugs are known to prevent obsessive-compulsive behaviors generally, and have the additional benefit of eliminating libido in many people. Also, it will generally clean up any other depressions, anxiety, and moodiness (although if you have manic-depression or suicidal thoughts then SSRI are not a good idea). When you do have sex while on an SSRI, your ejaculation is delayed and so you can be quite the stud. And you won't have issues like loss of strength, loss of energy, redistribution of body fat, feminization, etc. that can happen with chemical castration.

Anyway, definitely try SSRI before further chemical castration. Chemical castration is best for people who actually want to be generally sexless, are transsexual, or who have criminal sexual urges such as rape or pedophilia and so can't take the chance of offending. But it is probably overkill for someone who would ideally like to continue to live as a man.

The other thing that works well for me (what I currently use) is a SERM like Tamoxifen or Ralista. These are actually estrogen-blocking compounds. For some reason, I found that blocking estrogen also greatly reduces my desire for self-harm. Actually, these drugs are interesting because they only selectively block estrogen and actually act as estrogen in some tissues (like bone, so preserves bone density). It may be that using these actually makes my brain think it has more estrogen and somehow that is helpful. The additional benefit is that your body will get in much better shape -- more muscular, stronger. The only side effect I've had is drier skin on my face.

Both of these methods worked for me, and I have a similar problem to yours. These methods are, in my opinion, less drastic than chemical castration while still providing immense relief from our truly disabling paraphilia. I went from being on a path to destructing my otherwise wonderful life, career and marriage to being a star on all these fronts. Hope this helps.

[innocent_in_574 (imported)]

I appreciate your response. We are indeed similar in several aspects. I have tried celexa before. Did not like the results. Delayed ejaculation was definately one of the effects. It didn't make me a stud, but rather nearly doubled the time I spent on self-destructive behavior.I am currently taking another ssri and although it helps, is in no way stops my need to satisfy my urges.

I have tried chemical castration in the past and the results were fantastic. Being "sexless" doesn't sound appealing at all right now when my testosterone is high. After reducing my T level I really didn't care about going without sex and rarely even thought about it. It helped my marriage more than anything else. I have been extremely honest and open with my wife about my feelings and needs and believe me she has tried to accomodate me. I understand that I cannot expect any "normal" woman to accomodate all of my desires. It is just too much.

My past experiences with Depo Provera used rather modest doses and took the edge off but didn't stop my destructive behavior. My goal now is to stop the sexual thoughts altogether and be able to focus on the rest of my life. I hate that literally 75% of my life is consumed my sexual thoughts and actions but I can't control it. I want my life back. We liked what depo did for me in the past and that's why we're talking about taking it to the next level.

[Caith721 (imported)]

FYI, I've had no issues maintaining an erection, despite my clear lack of testosterone. Orgasm is milder but still satisfying, and almost always completely dry. This in no way assures you of the same, I'm just offering it as my personal experience.

[innocent_in_574 (imported)]

That's amazing Caith. I never thought it would be possible. What about your libido? Do you still get aroused on your own, or does your partner initiate? Personally I would feel like it was a miracle if castration could change from me what I am now into a more typical intercourse once an week husband. I know that's unlikely but wouldn't that be great!

[Elise44FF (imported)]

I tried DP 12 Months ago...300 to start out with and 150 30 and 60 days later. It pretty much killed my ability to get an ercection but my mental horniness did not change. I stopped with the monthly injections after my blood sugar levels rocketed to 250mg/DP. My normal level is 130 ( low level type 2 diabetic ). If you decide to try this PLEASE monitor your blood sugar levels.

[jmichael (imported)]

Does anyone know of an online pharmacy where I can get depo prevovera? Thanks