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bilateral orchiectomy
Hello everyone! Just found this site and hoping it will be helpful although some stuff I have read has been disturbing never the less I am looking for information. Not fantasy information bit solid information regarding orchiectomy aka castration. I go into surgery tomorrow to have both my testicles removed due to tumors found. I am curious what to expect as a heterosexual male. I live a somewhat normal life and have an average sex drive. I have banked sperm already but I am very curious as to any feedback from others I may be able to get.
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Re: bilateral orchiectomy
Hi there, and welcome to the Zoo! I'd be happy to share with you my experiences after bilateral orchiectomy. I use HRT, and do just fine. Feel free to private message me, and I'll respond to any questions that you have.
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Welcome, glad to have you share with us. Can I assume you will be going on testosterone replacement therapy? Your doctor will prescribe the dosage and the method. I am sure in your case there will be no problems with insurance coverage for the medicine. You might want to know that you can adjust dosage to fit how you feel and react to the TRT. Just let your doctor know so he/she can help you find the right dosage for you. Will you be having artificial testicles inserted after yours are removed? In the case of a normal heterosexual I would recommend this now or soon after. Many of us on this site have body image issues and prefer an empty sack or no sack at all, but you may want the appearance of testicles.
Now if you desire to learn more about being and acknowledging being a eunuch, and perhaps other changes I am sure everyone on the site would be glad to explore those ideas as well. Just let us know.
Now if you desire to learn more about being and acknowledging being a eunuch, and perhaps other changes I am sure everyone on the site would be glad to explore those ideas as well. Just let us know.
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bilateral orchiectomy
I was given a bilateral orchiectomy, and a total colectomy with ileo-rectal anastomosis in the summer of 1986, now slightly more than 25 years ago. While I post on the Eunuch Archive with my Archive user name of janekane, I have also posted comments elsewhere, using my real name and professional identification. I have no objection to people linking my Eunuch Archive presence to my real name and/or professional identification, AND, OUT OF RESPECT FOR, and appropriate deference to, the Archive at-large membership, very strongly prefer that anyone who "figures out my actual identity" keep that to self or communicate with me by Private Message.
I diligently seek to avoid acting out the role of an Exceptional Member of the Eunuch Archive.
I am a member of a family kindred in which some people have a rare genetic condition, familial adenomatous polyposis (or for short, FAP) (aka Gardner's Syndrome), and people who have FAP have an average age of death, as I read the relevant medical literature, of 42 years unless "draconian" surgeries are done prior to cancer developing. No one in my close family kindred who developed cancer as a result of having a form of the FAP genome had the slightest symptom of cancer before cancer had become terminal. I, and not any physician, figured out the family cancer risk first, and I successfully sought cancer-preventive surgeries for myself, but could not accomplish that for my brother, three years older than me. My brother, as he died, validated my cancer risk concern. I still cry about that.
After studying physics in college for 3 years, I transferred to a bioengineering program, in which I completed my undergraduate degree (B.S.) and later, my Ph.D. I am very well aware that I am far from the only Eunuch Archive member to get a Ph.D. I life in Wisconsin, and am a Wisconsin Registered Professional Engineer (one of a fair number who have degrees in bioengineering (also called biomedical engineering). As a Professional Engineer, I am required to work within the Code of Ethics of the National Society of Professional Engineers, the essence of which I can summarize as "An engineer shall hold paramount the public safety, work only in areas of professional competence, and do so without deception."
The first edition (copyright 1969) of David R. Reuben, M.D.'s book "Everything You Always Wanted to Know About Sex--But Were Afraid to Ask," David McKay Co., New York has what I find to be a reasonable account of the range of experiences of men who have been castrated, and the physiology of castration, for whatever reason, has not significantly changed since then. Dr. Reuben rather well describes the considerable variability of experienced results.
From op.cit., page 21,
One evening at a dinner party Dr. Freud was confronted by a belligerant student who demanded, "Isn't it true, Dr. Freud, that the way a man feels about himself depends on the size of his penis?" Freud reflected for a moment, puffed on his ever-present cigar, and replied, "I would prefer to think that the size of the penis depends upon the way a man feels about himself."
The "All New Edition" of Reuben's book, published in 1999, omits almost all the biology and is mainly focused on the social aspects of human sex, or so I find.
For myself, the choice seemed very simple. I could plausibly be alive with dead testicles and a dead colon, or I could plausibly have a dead everything. I never met a totally dead person who objected to any loss of sexuality. What is my source of expertise regarding this? I have attended open casket funerals.
Reuben clarifies, as well as any other source I have yet found that was written for the general public, the remarkable range of human diversity with respect to human sexuality. For myself, the only really major happening following my bilateral orchiectomy in 1986 was sexuality becoming entirely optional; if I got busy (who said that an intellectual is a person for whom there is something even more important than sex?) doing something interesting to me (and therefore significantly intellectual), before my orchiectomy, hormone-driven sexual reflexes commonly distracted me from things I found more interesting, after my orchiectomy, those distractions simply and very quietly vanished into memories readily recollected when I am willing to recollect them.
With appropriate HRT, my conjecture is simple: The main thing you are most likely to notice over the long term is that you are not dead yet.
As I find Dr. Reuben accurately recognized, the largest sex organ in the human body is the brain.
I seem to have been given a brain that was, and is, predisposed to the expectation of to residing within a female body (GID = Gender Identity Diversity?). Therefore, my experience with orchiectomy is likely to be rather different than the experience of a person whose brain gender and body gender reasonably well match.
It might be fair to regard myself as a person who started out with a female brain and male body, got an orchiectomy (and total colectomy with ileo-rectal anastomosis) in 1986, was put on Premarin and Provera in 1989, and went through a Premarin-Provera discontinuation menopause variation in circa 2000. Thus, I am not a proper comparison standard for heterosexual males, except, perhaps, in one particular way. I choose to accept the life I find I am actually able to life in preference to having a life I am actually unable to live. For me, having a life I am actually unable to live is identically being dead.
Please do not think or feel or believe that the way I am able to write this accurately reflects the difficulty of the decisions my life journey led me into. Some life choices can be awfully, awefully difficult.
For me, awfully, awefully difficult choices are somewhat easier to survive when I find I am not as though alone.
Triplecrush, I wish for you the very best possible outcome of your surgery, and the very best possible future life.
triplecrush (imported) wrote: Wed Aug 24, 2011 7:55 am Hello everyone! Just found this site and hoping it will be helpful although some stuff I have read has been disturbing never the less I am looking for information. Not fantasy information bit solid information regarding orchiectomy aka castration. I go into surgery tomorrow to have both my testicles removed due to tumors found. I am curious what to expect as a heterosexual male. I live a somewhat normal life and have an average sex drive. I have banked sperm already but I am very curious as to any feedback from others I may be able to get.
I was given a bilateral orchiectomy, and a total colectomy with ileo-rectal anastomosis in the summer of 1986, now slightly more than 25 years ago. While I post on the Eunuch Archive with my Archive user name of janekane, I have also posted comments elsewhere, using my real name and professional identification. I have no objection to people linking my Eunuch Archive presence to my real name and/or professional identification, AND, OUT OF RESPECT FOR, and appropriate deference to, the Archive at-large membership, very strongly prefer that anyone who "figures out my actual identity" keep that to self or communicate with me by Private Message.
I diligently seek to avoid acting out the role of an Exceptional Member of the Eunuch Archive.
I am a member of a family kindred in which some people have a rare genetic condition, familial adenomatous polyposis (or for short, FAP) (aka Gardner's Syndrome), and people who have FAP have an average age of death, as I read the relevant medical literature, of 42 years unless "draconian" surgeries are done prior to cancer developing. No one in my close family kindred who developed cancer as a result of having a form of the FAP genome had the slightest symptom of cancer before cancer had become terminal. I, and not any physician, figured out the family cancer risk first, and I successfully sought cancer-preventive surgeries for myself, but could not accomplish that for my brother, three years older than me. My brother, as he died, validated my cancer risk concern. I still cry about that.
After studying physics in college for 3 years, I transferred to a bioengineering program, in which I completed my undergraduate degree (B.S.) and later, my Ph.D. I am very well aware that I am far from the only Eunuch Archive member to get a Ph.D. I life in Wisconsin, and am a Wisconsin Registered Professional Engineer (one of a fair number who have degrees in bioengineering (also called biomedical engineering). As a Professional Engineer, I am required to work within the Code of Ethics of the National Society of Professional Engineers, the essence of which I can summarize as "An engineer shall hold paramount the public safety, work only in areas of professional competence, and do so without deception."
The first edition (copyright 1969) of David R. Reuben, M.D.'s book "Everything You Always Wanted to Know About Sex--But Were Afraid to Ask," David McKay Co., New York has what I find to be a reasonable account of the range of experiences of men who have been castrated, and the physiology of castration, for whatever reason, has not significantly changed since then. Dr. Reuben rather well describes the considerable variability of experienced results.
From op.cit., page 21,
One evening at a dinner party Dr. Freud was confronted by a belligerant student who demanded, "Isn't it true, Dr. Freud, that the way a man feels about himself depends on the size of his penis?" Freud reflected for a moment, puffed on his ever-present cigar, and replied, "I would prefer to think that the size of the penis depends upon the way a man feels about himself."
The "All New Edition" of Reuben's book, published in 1999, omits almost all the biology and is mainly focused on the social aspects of human sex, or so I find.
For myself, the choice seemed very simple. I could plausibly be alive with dead testicles and a dead colon, or I could plausibly have a dead everything. I never met a totally dead person who objected to any loss of sexuality. What is my source of expertise regarding this? I have attended open casket funerals.
Reuben clarifies, as well as any other source I have yet found that was written for the general public, the remarkable range of human diversity with respect to human sexuality. For myself, the only really major happening following my bilateral orchiectomy in 1986 was sexuality becoming entirely optional; if I got busy (who said that an intellectual is a person for whom there is something even more important than sex?) doing something interesting to me (and therefore significantly intellectual), before my orchiectomy, hormone-driven sexual reflexes commonly distracted me from things I found more interesting, after my orchiectomy, those distractions simply and very quietly vanished into memories readily recollected when I am willing to recollect them.
With appropriate HRT, my conjecture is simple: The main thing you are most likely to notice over the long term is that you are not dead yet.
As I find Dr. Reuben accurately recognized, the largest sex organ in the human body is the brain.
I seem to have been given a brain that was, and is, predisposed to the expectation of to residing within a female body (GID = Gender Identity Diversity?). Therefore, my experience with orchiectomy is likely to be rather different than the experience of a person whose brain gender and body gender reasonably well match.
It might be fair to regard myself as a person who started out with a female brain and male body, got an orchiectomy (and total colectomy with ileo-rectal anastomosis) in 1986, was put on Premarin and Provera in 1989, and went through a Premarin-Provera discontinuation menopause variation in circa 2000. Thus, I am not a proper comparison standard for heterosexual males, except, perhaps, in one particular way. I choose to accept the life I find I am actually able to life in preference to having a life I am actually unable to live. For me, having a life I am actually unable to live is identically being dead.
Please do not think or feel or believe that the way I am able to write this accurately reflects the difficulty of the decisions my life journey led me into. Some life choices can be awfully, awefully difficult.
For me, awfully, awefully difficult choices are somewhat easier to survive when I find I am not as though alone.
Triplecrush, I wish for you the very best possible outcome of your surgery, and the very best possible future life.
Re: bilateral orchiectomy
Welcome to the Zoo.
It looks like you're getting a lot of good answers so far, so I don't think I can add anything!
It looks like you're getting a lot of good answers so far, so I don't think I can add anything!
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If you chose to forgo HRT the biggest be advantage is lack of male body odor. It was a suprise to me as noone mentioned it.
My best friend in school is in his 60's now. He claims it is better to have all those added years of being alive, loving, and having fun.
My best friend in school is in his 60's now. He claims it is better to have all those added years of being alive, loving, and having fun.
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Re: bilateral orchiectomy
Well everyone... thank you for your replies. Surgery is complete and I feel great. Im sure some pain killers and numbing stuff is in my system but I don't have anymore pain down there and actually feeling great! I will update and post a blog tomorrow of the adventure from when I first found out to after my surgery along with what I go through. My wife will also be posting blobs under my user name on her views and how everything has effected her as my partner because I was selfish and oridedul prior to surgery but truly wish I felt before as I do after. We are already communicating better I feel and I believe other men could use the feedback rather than all the junk info I went through on google. Facts to come soon and thank I all.
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I hope your unexpected surgery results in an improvement in the relationship between yourself and wife. Sometimes the universe works in mysterious ways.
I'm glad to see you're taking the lemons you've been given and making lemonade out of them.
--LT
I'm glad to see you're taking the lemons you've been given and making lemonade out of them.
--LT
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Hello Triple,
Welcome to the zoo! Feel free to ask any question. it sounds as if you really didn't want the surgery however you'll find out that life goes on.
Dave
Welcome to the zoo! Feel free to ask any question. it sounds as if you really didn't want the surgery however you'll find out that life goes on.
Dave
triplecrush (imported) wrote: Wed Aug 24, 2011 7:55 am Hello everyone! Just found this site and hoping it will be helpful although some stuff I have read has been disturbing never the less I am looking for information. Not fantasy information bit solid information regarding orchiectomy aka castration. I go into surgery tomorrow to have both my testicles removed due to tumors found. I am curious what to expect as a heterosexual male. I live a somewhat normal life and have an average sex drive. I have banked sperm already but I am very curious as to any feedback from others I may be able to get.
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I would think no body would want this surgery no less any type of surgery. I have taken a yr to finally accept everything. Mostly pride and not wanting to be less of a man but none of that even seems to matter now :)looking I had torsion on a regular basis and that was on my left tested. My right tested was healthy to an extent but had a small spot on it in ultrasound from what doctor told me a while back. I chose to have it removed too. I wondered if I was crazy for electively having it taken out too bit I have a list of family members that have dies and survived testicular and prostate cancer so I chose on that along with no risks in future of having to go through that. I have a wonderful wife who has been very supportive emotionally and I feel so much better now. I am looking forward to living again. Without pain 
. Ill be posting detailed blog later so keep an eye out for it. I wish I would have been able to read experiences sooner myself and I hope my journal helps others out there. I feel great and look forward to the future.
. Ill be posting detailed blog later so keep an eye out for it. I wish I would have been able to read experiences sooner myself and I hope my journal helps others out there. I feel great and look forward to the future.