Hot flushes / flashes

[Splitz (imported)]

Hi,

I would be interested to know whether the onset of hot flushes is a sign that testosterone production has reached castrate levels or not? How low do T levels get before hot flushes take place? Any thoughts anyone?

splitz

[kennath7 (imported)]

Hot flashed are a sign of hormone imbalance

The only way to gauge to what level is through a blood test

[erikboy (imported)]

Hot flashes indicate usually inability of testicles to produce enough testosterone when drop in production has happened pretty fast. It indicates also imbalance or deficit of Testosterone in yor system.

Hot flashes are generated in a desperate attempt of your endocrine system to increase Testosterone production. If testicles do not respond in a required manner, adrenal glands are over stimulated which trigger hot flash.

[janekane (imported)]

It may be useful to allow for a notion of biology that is decades old. That notion is "independent assortment."

As I understand the notion of independent assortment, the particular traits of a particular, individual person are the result of the individual's genotype pattern and the interaction of that pattern with the person's inner and outer environments.

One might model the assortment of traits as a set of nested Markov chains, as though randomly correlated events comprised of randomly correlated events.

There is, in the study of autism, a notion which I find to plausibly be the most invidious notion I have yet encountered. That notion has been named, "theory of mind," a notion regarding how one person can understand another person's motives without the another person having told the one person what the another person's motives really are. Theory of mind, as something actual, may be a property or function of the mirror neuron system.

No matter, for I find that "theory of mind" poses, to me, the greatest threat to the survival of the human species that I have yet tripped over.

I have known quite a few women who went through menopause without a hint of a hot flash, and others who experienced menopause as something quite horrible. Among the men who went through puberty and were later castrated, I am one some such who never had the slightest hint of a hot flash, and, for whatever it might be worth, never was met with a hot flash when my 1990s endocrinologist decided to stop prescribing Premarin and Provera.

What happens on average (average is of the mean? or the mode? or the median? or something else?) is not what always happens.

A few years after my orchiectomy, a doctor ordered a testosterone level test. The lab repeated the test, thinking they had done it wrong. My testosterone level seemed impossibly low. Said doctor, being quite understanding, chuckled gently as he reported to me the lab's belief that they had messed up in their test procedure...

There is a phrase sometimes used here, "Your milage may vary."

I have another phrase, one told by Dr. Abraham A. Low, "Knowing that you don't know is a secure thought."

Obviously, what happens most of the time to most people in a particular situation is what happens to most people most of the time in a particular situation. Some folks refer to that as being of "central tendency." Not everyone is in the center in every measurable or observable aspect of life. Defining as normal that which is close to a measure of central tendency results in there being no possibility of anyone being normal because there will always be some aspect of life, even if of vanishingly insignificant triviality, which seriously departs from some central tendency measure.

Defining normal for an individual in terms of group averages is a remarkable way of enhancing the tragic aspects of being human.

I suppose it would be worthwhile to define normal by measures of central tendency, except that such definitions are, methinks, at best, exercises of circular tautology.

I suppose central tendency notions of individual optimality are a tad like the notion that biological evolution is driven by the survival of the fittest. Am I the only supposedly competent "biologist" who recognizes that "survival of the fittest" is a meaningless tautology?

I did not expect the results I got in consequence of my orchiectomy. I had hoped to live long enough to see my daughter graduate from college, and that happened. My brother did not live nearly long enough to see his children graduate from college, they so graduated long after their dad died. The results, as I experience them, have been remarkably better for me than I expected.

That simply ain't nohows, noways, so for everyone who has had a bilateral orchiectomy...

Expect to be like someone else, and one may be met with undue difficulty. I prefer to live my life and not the life of someone else.

[jlc9292 (imported)]

I suppose everyone is different but I did not experience hot flashes until after being at castrate level for a few weeks. Castrate level for me tested around 15 with zero estrogen. I now take low doses of estrogen with no testosterone and the hot flashes have been eliminated. My testosterone level at last test was 12

Hi,

I would be interested to know whether the onset of hot flushes is a sign that testosterone production has reached castrate levels or not? How low do T levels get before hot flushes take place? Any thoughts anyone?

splitz

[Splitz (imported)]

Hi,

Thank you everyone for your input - much appreciated.

I have experienced hot flushes over the last three or four years, but very regularly over the last two or so years, on average about half a dozen times a day. They do not particularly trouble me but I am very aware of them. I do not know what my T level is but I assume it to be at castrate levels. I was curious to know whether hot flushes are experienced with just a lower T level than is the norm, or whether one would only experience hot flashes if ones T levels were at castrate levels. From what I have read so far, it would seem that in order to experience hot flushes a person's T level needs to be at castrate level, or at least at a drastically low level in order for the adrenal glands to work overtime, thereby creating those hot flushes.

I am in a situation where it is not really possible for me to have a proper medical check up to see whether or not I am at castrate levels. There would be questions, followed by recommendations, etc., etc. One day, however, I might just be brave enough to have that check up though.

Thank you again,

splitz

[Riverwind (imported)]

From the time I started the castration drug I started having hot flashes and night sweats. The worst of these was when the T was being reduced however they continued after castration for years. Even today I will get them once in a while and its been 9 years.

The intensity will vary by person as with the length of time or as we like to say your millage will very.

Good luck and have fun,

River

[erikboy (imported)]

Splitz, it is not neccessarily to have castrate T levels for your endocrine system to start to overcompensate. But for sure your T-levels are less than your endocrine system thinks it should be. And it seems like levels are dropping.