Ever get feeling your being spied on?... posts being spread without your consent!

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Ever get feeling your being spied on?... posts being spread without your consent!

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Well I seemed to encounter as of recently a message online I had posted months ago and by looks of it

ref = http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/s ... google.com

(to boardreader.com)

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"Re: Do you remember this? (http://boardreader.com/jump/s9 468/f2207373/32c6151258d25d90da083bd946aec76a/aHR0cDovL3d3dy5ldW51Y2gub3JnL3ZidWxsZXRpbi9zaG93dG hyZWFkLnBocD90PTIwNTM3I3Bvc3QxNzk3MDA=)

Started 1 week, 3 days ago by foxytaur - 5 posts

You know I'm not surprised the penis grew.Technically all our cells use the same DNA sequence wise.Some portions of chromatid are more involved than others in genome sequence. The net effect is we get different cellular structures that in turn evolve into different tissues (http://boardreader.com/tp/Tissues.html) and organs.Afterall this is the sweet spot of stem cell research. Now if only we can unlock it's secrets we could do amazing ...

Show more post info (http://boardreader.com/tp/penis transplants.html)"

Say what you want guys but i have a real good photographic memory and it this the level of privacy we get for posting stuff online?

I knew quitting facebook was the best decision I ever made.:dong:
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Re: Ever get feeling your being spied on?... posts being spread without your consent!

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I have always deemed everything I put on the Internet, unless sufficiently encrypted, is effectively public domain, copyright laws notwithstanding.

Internet search engines and/or web crawlers and/or other hardware/software systems meander through the IP address realm and make partial or complete copies of whatever is found that the is somehow deemed worth replicating or otherwise making relatively durable.

128 bit encryption can be busted by sufficient calculating (supercomputer -- or future superdupercomputer? ) capacity. Gogolbit encryption might take a nearly infinite number of multiverses, each with an infinitude of superdupercomputers, yet the multiverse notion appears to me to rule out any and every form of security except for exactly one form of security. What form of security is perfectly invulnerable to hacking? I have been able to dream up only one, other folks may be more imaginative and creative than I am, so it is fine with me if someone shows my secure communication method is flawed, and fine with me if someone comes up with a better security scheme.

My scheme for secure communication that is impossible to hack can, perhaps, be simply described. The name for my notion of secure communication is not a new word. What word? "Truthfulness."

Well, now, wasn't that silly of me?

Perhaps a sort of definition would be of some merit. Truthfulness, as I am using that word, is the name of a process. The process of truthfulness identifies and corrects errors. Perhaps one might imagine a sort of Hamming code variant which can identify and correct an infinitely long error burst chain. Because deception is plausibly what truthfulness is not, save for deception being a proper subset of truthfulness (imagined Venn diagrams are tolerated here?), truthfulness may be regarded as the absence of deception.

In earlier posts, my having indicated that I have engineering degrees and also having indicated that I am a licensed professional might lead someone to guess that I might be licensed as a professional engineer. Well, depending on what a profession is, and what a licensed profession is, I just might have more than one "professional" license.

However, if we pretend that I am licensed as a professional engineer, one might allow that I adhere to the Code of Ethics of the National Society of Professional Engineers. Indeed, were I an unschooled ditch digger (in one of my licensed capacities, I do dig ditches at various times), nothing would rule out my having stumbled on that Code of Ethics and my having decided to do all my ditch digging in accord with the NSPE Code of Ethics. I have actually read, and summarized, for my personal purposes, the NSPE Code of Ethics, and can phrase said summary thus: "Holding public safety paramount and working only in areas of professional competence, a professional engineer shall avoid deception."

Too many words? How about the shorter version" "A professional engineer shall be truthful." Want some bedtime entertainment? How about reading a book by Henry Petroski, P.E, Ph.D., a civil engineering and history professor at Duke University, "The Essential Engineer: How Science Alone Will Not Our Global Problems," Knopf, 2010?

I guess I have more to learn. I put on the Internet what I put there because I expect it to wander around into places I will never be able to anticipate, an I expect unexpected people to find what I put forth.

The thought of having "Internet Privacy" on a web presence which uses vBulletin is a thought which simply never occurred to me.

So, no, I never get the feeling that what I put on the Eunuch Archive boards is being spied on. How can what has been put where anyone and everyone can find it be spied on?

In my mind, "privacy" and "posting stuff online" are flawlessly, mutually exclusive.

But then, I may be awefully mistaken.
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It all boils down to if you post it to the internet, it will be remembered somehow.
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I think the worst thing is the obviously fake spam sites that harvest message board discussions, then re-echo them with their virus-infested pop-ups included. :(
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Did you ever think that this is perfectly normal paranoia?

Hey, just because they aren't after you (right now) doesn't mean they aren't after me!

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Agreed! Once information is published on the Web it is already in the public domain and there is no easy way to have it removed.

The Internet is now so vast that information itself seems to leave something of an echo. Even if the original source is removed, copies will remain - either in the form of Google or Yahoo's cache, quotes or references on other sites or even content mills that recycle blog posts. There are even tools out there like freezepage.com which take snapshots of web pages for you to share with others if you should need third-party independent confirmation of information that *was* there at some point in the past.

There are also techniques in use which involve analyzing text content and building complex multi-dimensional arrays of word ngrams by looking at each word in the content, then by noting what word followed in each case. With enough content, the fingerprint of an individuals writing style can be refined, then compared against content of unknown authorship to give the likelihood that it was written by the same person. Google use this technology extensively for a number of things.

Paranoid much?

Why yes, now would be the ideal time to be paranoid. ;)

But that said, there is more information out there for an individual user to blend in to, so I guess it is really for us as users to develop a greater awareness of what information we are sharing and how we are sharing it.
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thefraj (imported) wrote: Wed Jul 27, 2011 12:10 pm Agreed! Once information is published on the Web it is already in the public domain and there is no easy way to have it removed.

There is a difference between "this article is in the public domain" and "I own the copyright to this article but I give a license everyone so they can read it." Publishing on the Internet is licensing anyone on the Internet to view/read your copyrighted material, and index it. It does not abrogate your copyright.

Of course, once material is licensed that way, it is hard to revoke the license. You may have a moral right to revoke or change the license, but forcing others to follow your license is problematic. Traditionally copyright is a civil function, not criminal (in spite of what the media-bought-and-paid-for legislators have done lately) which means a lot of time and costly effort is involved. Much better to maintain the "anything goes" license on your copyrighted work.

That may be a bit picky, but it is a fine point that I think should be maintained.
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>>http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-07-2 ... cohan.html

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That Tweet Just Doomed Your Wall Street Career: William D. Cohan

By William D. Cohan Jul 24, 2011 8:00 PM ET

As if it weren’t difficult enough to find a job in this still-struggling economy, prospective employees have a new hurdle to overcome: the dreaded -- and highly sophisticated -- social-media background check.

Thanks to an increasingly popular service provided by Social Intelligence Corp., a year-old company in Santa Barbara, California, an applicant’s every faux pas, every bit of perverse logic, every bit of a tongue-in-cheek comment that falls flat -- to say nothing of overt or implied prejudice and lewd personal photographs -- can now be easily scraped off Internet networking sites including Facebook, Tumblr, Twitter and LinkedIn, and compiled in an attractive dossier that can easily be used to zotz you from any potential job.

We have heard warnings for years, of course, about how seemingly innocuous, or highly personal, utterances shared with friends on social networking websites can live on forever and potentially doom a budding professional career. And we were all recently treated to the jarring spectacle of Congressman Anthony Weiner’s well-deserved self-immolation -- in 140 characters or less.

No Buried Secrets

But these days, thanks to Social Intelligence, whatever challenges employers once faced by having to search site after site to find information about prospective employees has been solved by -- and outsourced to -- the company’s algorithms, an inevitable consequence of the power of search engines in the Internet Age.

“We are not detectives,” Max Drucker, the chief executive officer of Social Intelligence, told the New York Times in a much discussed article. “All we assemble is what is publicly available on the Internet today.” A sobering observation for sure.

If the message were not already crystalline, there is no longer any doubt that extreme vigilance with regard to social networking is no longer an option -- it is a necessity. Who knows how many budding presidents of the U.S. or CEOs of Goldman Sachs have already been nipped in the bud by Drucker’s handiwork? He told the Times that he found one prospective employee searching for OxyContin on Craigslist, and other background checks found damning evidence of racist and anti- Semitic remarks.

Good Old Days

Once upon a time, before the Internet, such sleuthing would have been nearly impossible, meaning that many people happily and productively employed in the highest ranks of corporate America no doubt have committed inchoate acts of foolishness that today would be punished early and often.

Can this be considered progress or evidence that Big Brother is very much a part of daily life? To help people begin to grapple with the implications of this kind of digital monitoring, a review of a few of the more insightful online comments about the Times story is instructive.

Basic Internet Hygiene

A “John Doe,” in New York City, wrote that he thought schools should teach “basic internet hygiene,” including to “assume that everything you post under your true name will forever be in the public domain, because, well, it will be” and to “never post a photo of yourself online unless it is bland and you can absolutely control access to it.”

“Doe” has little use for social networking. “In general, the less of yourself that appears online, the better off you will be,” he wrote. “Facebook? No thanks.” He also wrote that he expected legislators to do little to protect us from the more heinous aspects -- mistaken identity, for instance -- of Social Intelligence’s dossiers. “If they get it wrong,” he wrote of Social Intelligence, it could destroy “a person’s life with no possibility of appeal. Naturally, our leaders in Congress can be expected to do nothing about this. After all, we are not wealthy bankers.”

Very Slippery Slope

Other commenters simply see this new service as the beginning of a very slippery slope. “This is us, giving up a little essential liberty -- one photo, one text, one post, one status update, one Tweet at a time,” “K. Johnson” wrote. Added “DCS”: “I’ve never said or done anything online that anyone could possibly take offense to. I just hope I don’t have to interview with the one person who takes offense at people who have never said or done anything offensive online.”

“John,” in Northern California, worries that the new dossiers will be used, and candidates rejected, but no fingerprints will ever be left behind. “They won’t tell you that’s why they aren’t hiring you,” he wrote. “You’ll just be skipped over, the same way people or groups routinely are now if they don’t fit a certain ethnic, racial or physical (fat, thin) profile. They won’t admit this, however, and you can’t prove it.”

A Private Diary

Then there is the slightly perverse but well-taken logic that “Gramercy” displayed in a comment. “I actually applaud this,” it read. “It may be because I consider myself as an adult who uses social media just to keep in touch or because I am getting older, but I am actually glad to see that indiscretions and bad judgment exhibited online can and will be held against those pinheads who use the Internet as their private diary. And while I am at it, we should set standards: anyone who has seen a full episode of Jersey Shore or the Housewives of whatever, or can identify the names of the Kardashians should not be allowed to hold a real job or to drive for that matter.”

Given the existence of companies like Social Intelligence, it just makes common sense not to put anything in an e-mail or social networking post that you wouldn’t be proud to see on the front page of the New York Times.

(William D. Cohan, a former investment banker and the author of “Money and Power: How Goldman Sachs Came to Rule the World,” is a Bloomberg View columnist. The opinions expressed are his own.)

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-07-2 ... cohan.html
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Dave (imported) wrote: Wed Jul 27, 2011 1:59 pm A Private Diary

Then there is the slightly perverse but well-taken logic that
“Gramercy” displayed in a comment. “I actually applaud this,” it read. “
Dave (imported) wrote: Wed Jul 27, 2011 1:59 pm It may be because I consider myself as an adult who uses social media just to keep in touch or because I am getting older, but I am actually glad to see that indiscretions and bad judgment exhibited online can and will be held against those pinheads who use the Internet as their private diary. And while I am at it, we should set standards: anyone who has seen a full episode of Jersey Shore or the Housewives of whatever, or can identify the names of the Kardashians should not be allowed to hold a real job or to drive for that matter.
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It's people like this idiot who are the real problem. What do the shows you watch or the inane facts you know have to do with your competence when it comes to holding a job or driving a car? Seriously, if I choose to watch Sesame Street 12 hours a day, does that somehow mean I should be denied a job or the right to drive? I think not. The law says as long as you are not hurting anyone else, you can do whatever stupid shit you want. If you want to blow yourself to tiny little pieces, that's fine as long as no one else is hurt in the process. And the same is true of holding a job. If my personal choices have no effect on you, why do you care? "Gramercy" is spouting the same tired bullshit that has been spewed at gay people who want to get married. It is sad that people seem to think their own indiscretions are OK while everyone Else's are not. Gramercy, I have just one thing to say to you. YOU, sir, are the pinhead here. You, sir, are the one who should not be allowed to drive. You, sir, are an asshole of the highest order. 🍑👋

As far as denying someone employment because of one out of context comment, our private conversations should not be used against us. If you, for example, happen to break your neighbors porch swing accidentally, no court in the world is going to hold that mistake against you when they later try you for, let's say, a murder. In other words, don't expect someone to behave a certain way just because of ONE comment they made to their friends. Many people have inside jokes, which, when taken out of context, can sound remarkably rude, racist, etc. This does not mean the person is in fact rude, racist, etc. If I say someone "Jewed me out of my pay", that would be... well seriously stupid because I am Jewish, but it would be racist. However, if I am joking with my black friend and I call him a butt-munching jackass with a smile on my face and he laughs because that is how we talk to each other, that does not make me a rude, racist person. What I am getting at is that you have to take into consideration WHERE and WHEN the statement was made before you use against someone. Assuming it was meant to be hurtful is stupid and pig-headed.

One final note, I get the feeling what I have said here will someday come back to haunt me. If that does happen, it will only prove my point; that those people who use publicly posted comments against people are clearly not the kind of people who should be in positions of hiring or firing anyone.
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