Reining in the Controversy.

[Slammr (imported)]

I was reading the stories long before I joined the forums, and without the stories I would have never joined them; that was about 9 years ago.

[foxytaur (imported)]

I wouldn't have joined if it weren't for the stories;

I could live without the personals, just don't get rid of the stories.

Much of my participation here was to help distinguish between fantasy and reality and I wouldn't have the guts to seek the help I truly need.

I am serious about pursuing a penectomy just atm not economically feasible

for one and the complications that come along with one.

Thankfully I have 2 wolf master's who will guide me in my path to happyness.

Us foxes are utterly hopeless and defenseless without a strong alpha leader.

[janekane (imported)]

Having not read very many of the stories before the "denial of service incident," it is a guess of mine that the stores which the alarmists deem the most objectionable may be among the stories having the greatest potential for redeeming social value; it is also a guess of mine that an unimpeachable argument to this effect may yet be achievable.

What brought me here was my having a sense of this possibly being a community of people who actually place a deeply held sense of personal integrity as more important than compliance with harmfully-experienced ancient social conventions.

Whether my guesses merit other than harsh ridicule, I may be able to begin to learn at the MoM.

For myself, I find affirming people more socially productive than denigrating people.

It may be reasonable and rational to anticipate objections when one is challenging a taboo which may have been held as though intrinsically inviolable for millennia.

It may be useful to identify and overcome such objections as perpetrate learned human traumas.

[axolotl1 (imported)]

I'm a long-time lurker and reader of the archive. As I see it from the rest of this thread the issue seems to be the quantity and accessaiblity of graphic, minor-themed content. However, there are lots of members stating that such stories are truly helpful to write and publish if not to read. I'm going to inject the assumption that most members dont really enjoy reading the material which is the most problematic anyway. As such maybe a combination of a community process, better ratings, tagging and filtering (eg only show english, exclude minors etc) would be an effective solution.

Stories which are submitted to the archive are provisionally published for some period of time (90-180 days maybe). During that time a story needs to get sufficent up-votes to become a permenant part of the archive (or maybe they just get dropped from the index). Further the old archive should be put into some holding state for a period of time where authors or members could request that stories be promoted to the new archive (needing to go through the community process could be up to admins). After the holding period has ended, the contents of the archive could be transfered to some place like asstr.

This hopefully keeps the cathartic aspect of being able to write such a story and get it published while getting rid of the stuff no one really cares about anyway (which is a super-set of the problematic stuff according to my supposition).

I am also a web developer who is conversant in several software stacks and several other ideas for the story system.

[devi (imported)]

These are my thoughts:

I've always thought that instead of using the suffix .com or .org that .eu would be more interesting. It was formerly meant for Europe.

I may be different than most but I never joined here for the fiction but for the useful information here and just don't get into them. However I really do like the fact that there is a fiction section.

As for the censorship, in my area of the country we have definately drastically tilted toward the ultra uber-religious side in the last decade and half. Religious censors have proliferated like skunks. Even the skimpy costume parties we used to have over here are a thing of the distant past. For a long time I wasn't able to reach here online even and of course I do have to turn off the avatars in case someone should look over my shoulder. It's never a good idea to provoke skunks but then again maybe it's just plain unavoidable sometimes.

[coolasplastic (imported)]

This is my first time posting here.

I've been visiting the web for a long long time, and decided to register just a couple of months ago.

I found my way here not because of a fetish or a personal interest to either get myself castrated nor to castrate someone else, but because of artistic curiosity. I'm a writer (young and female, just in case anyone is wondering) and I like to explore human nature in my characters. One day I said "why would anyone...? I mean, in this day and age?", and while doing some research, I reached this site. Wanting to castrate someone else I kinda got, as another form of BSDM, but I just didn't get why anyone would want to cut themselves.

I have everyone in this great community to thank for broadening my horizons and for my being able to understand lifestyles that are not the norm.

The reason I signed up but never posted anything here before is that I originaly created my account to ask question, but then found the answer in another thread. I felt that, if I wasn't going to help, I might as well keep silent.

Now I feel almost obligated to post.

For my personal literary purpose, the fiction archive was immense help. That way I got to view the differences between castrations in real life (the comm) and that in fiction. Of course there's lots of castration material in fiction, but it's different when written by someone who is inside the "castration lifestyle" and by someone who's not. I also found very interesting to read really bad portrayals of castration and castrated people, contrasted with the good portrayals of the same. I found really disgusting pieces of fiction (disgusted in the literary sense: bad grammar, bad narration, cardboard-like characters...), but I also found some delightfully written stories, with life-like characters and some scenarios that I had never read before. And, believe me, when you devour books and stories, that last thing becomes harder and harder to achieve!

All in all, I'm very thankful for the very complex learning experience I've had. I feel like I really know some of you, even if I kept silent.

The fiction archive was a great deposit of mental-fodder for me, and I will sorely miss it if it's not brought back. I'm all the way with making it pass-protected, though... I despise non-sense censorship, but our world is full of it, I fear.

I thank you all once again. Specially the marvelous admins who keep this space up!

[todbaron (imported)]

I totally admire this way of making the point.

The mainstream uses extreme situations all the time.

Exploration of what turns people on is legitimate.

Dissing people for "wanking" is NOT legitimate.

We all have needs, and even those of us who don't have

the traditional drives have a need to be accepted and understood

in OUR human condition.

Jonathan Swift, 1729:

“

I have been assured by a very knowing American of my acquaintance in

London, that a young healthy child well nursed, is, at a year old, a

most delicious nourishing and wholesome food, whether stewed, roasted,

baked, or boiled; and I make no doubt that it will equally serve in a

fricasie, or a ragoust.”

“I do therefore humbly offer it to publick consideration, that of the

hundred and twenty thousand children, already computed, twenty thousand

may be reserved for breed, whereof only one fourth part to be males;

which is more than we allow to sheep, black cattle, or swine, and my

reason is, that these children are seldom the fruits of marriage, a

circumstance not much regarded by our savages, therefore, one male will

be sufficient to serve four females. That the remaining hundred thousand

may, at a year old, be offered in sale to the persons of quality and

fortune, through the kingdom, always advising the mother to let them

suck plentifully in the last month, so as to render them plump, and fat

for a good table. A child will make two dishes at an entertainment for

friends, and when the family dines alone, the fore or hind quarter will

make a reasonable dish, and seasoned with a little pepper or salt, will

be very good boiled on the fourth day, especially in winter.

”

There have been several mainstream best-sellers lately that invoke our main theme

by harking back to bel canto in opera. Farinelli, Anne Rice's Cry to Heaven, and this recent one:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/030759 ... r_asin_lnk

The Bells by Richard Harvell.

That said, I found several of the stories in the old fiction archive objectionable.

I thought all the F/clitorodotomy stories should just be deleted summarily: that is an

ongoing real world oppression -- it is not something "equally interesting".

It will become "equally interesting" when there is a matriarchy and that mode

of damage happens as a punishment rather than as something as routine as

male circumcision.

There was also at least one story glorifying a man dominating a boy that

related to our theme in and only insofar as it further degraded the boy.

It looked and sounded as though it could've been directly borrowed from

a completely different kind of site. But I really don't know enough about

the practical constraints that the moderators are under legally to be giving

practical advice. I am just talking about what I think would be better.

[jetleg (imported)]

my two cents

I was raped by 5 to 13 years and then circumcised against my will in a climax of sadism. This was my real childhood, not a story. The archive helped me to feel less alone, makes me feel better share the same fate with the protagonists of the stories, which I considere my imaginary friends

[smcallister (imported)]

Hi! This is my first post - although I've been visiting this site for the better part of a decade. Before I begin, I'd like to give my sincere thanks to the moderators who maintain & care for this place on the web, and who have fostered a vibrant & warm community of folks. I understand completely that it is this community that is most important; the story archive is secondary, if not tertiary.

I'm another one of those folks who have come here only for the story archive. While I don't have an Eunuch or nullification connection myself, I love the idea of non-consensual surgical modification, in fantasy. The archive was one of the few places on the web where I could find stories of this genre, and there is no current substitute. While there are many story websites out there, most are somewhat squeamish at the subject of surgical mods in the plotline. I hope if the story archive returns, it will continue to be a source for stories such as these.

All that said, I also understand some changes may be in order. The inclusion of minors in erotic stories is something that should change - if not for aesthetic reasons, for the reason that it puts this website, and thereby it's community, at risk.

Thanks again for letting me share my thoughts - and kudos to the moderators who have labored to make this place special!

[Wolf-Pup (imported)]

Note to mods:

While the fiction archive is down, would it be out if the question or a problem to put a link to the wayback on the main page?