Reining in the Controversy.

[foxytaur (imported)]

OH yeah I did solve my issue with scam site

I cancelled credit card,challenged site, requested fraud.

Got most of my money back and phew...............saved my neck.

I really don't want this to happen to EA

[foxytaur (imported)]

about tor networks:

https://www.torproject.org/

BTW most hacktivists and webninja's use some form of anonymity to communicate anonymously on the Internet.

Tor networks are one of them.

I believe even anonymous & lulzsec uses it

[Wolf-Pup (imported)]

It seems and the Mods can correct me if I'm wrong, when the call for donations go out the community responds. I don't think a pay site is needed unless the whole site is in financial jeopardy. I do think a copy of an ID either emailed/faxed/mailed to gain access to the stories and as proof of age wouldn't be unreasonable. I do see where some might not be willing to risk their privacy and/or trust the site runners. I've been on site that are pay sites, but will give a free trial but you need a vaild credit card to prove age. That authorize $1 that isn't actually charged for site access.

I think proof of age is probably as or more important than the fiction content...but then I'm not a Moral Majority type

[fhunter]

It seems and the Mods can correct me if I'm wrong, when the call for donations go out the community responds. I don't think a pay site is needed unless the whole site is in financial jeopardy. I do think a copy of an ID either emailed/faxed/mailed to gain access to the stories and as proof of age wouldn't be unreasonable. I do see where some might not be willing to risk their privacy and/or trust the site runners. I've been on site that are pay sites, but will give a free trial but you need a vaild credit card to prove age. That authorize $1 that isn't actually charged for site access.

I think proof of age is probably as or more important than the fiction content...but then I'm not a Moral Majority type

You are joking about sending ID scan via email? You sure do know that email is not encrypted and thus can be read by anyone on it's route. And think of non english speaking countries.

[Wolf-Pup (imported)]

You can use Winzip or Winrar to password protect the file and to encrypt itat the same time. Every method has a bit of risk if you don't trust whom your sending the information to.

[BroBear (imported)]

Foxy

I agree with you about pay sites, they are all about money, but I wasn't suggesting turning things over to a third party, simply not having both the boards and the archive in the same bag.

The EA would control both sites. If the blue noses go after one the other isn't as vulnerable.

There are sites like MaleBodyMods that require a $10 fee to register, and that's it.

My suggestion regarding a membership fee is mostly to raise the bar a bit when it comes to accessing the archive to keep young kids out and make a tiny bit of money to support the bandwidth.

I think we all have the desire to come up with some solution to bring back the stories in a good way.

Steve

Brobear

[Slammr (imported)]

It seems and the Mods can correct me if I'm wrong, when the call for donations go out the community responds. I don't think a pay site is needed unless the whole site is in financial jeopardy. I do think a copy of an ID either emailed/faxed/mailed to gain access to the stories and as proof of age wouldn't be unreasonable. I do see where some might not be willing to risk their privacy and/or trust the site runners. I've been on site that are pay sites, but will give a free trial but you need a vaild credit card to prove age. That authorize $1 that isn't actually charged for site access.

I think proof of age is probably as or more important than the fiction content...but then I'm not a Moral Majority type

Since the stories in question might be considered child porn by some countries, although they are not in the USA, anyone from those countries, if the minor stories were put back up, would be crazy to send in his id for access to them. If the minor content stories are not put up, then having a story archive should post no threat to EA.

The problem was that someone reported to the domain registrar that some of the stories were child porn - legally, none of the were - and they cut off access to the domain. Even if people were required to register to see the stories, someone could find objectionable content and complain. Keeping out underage people isn't the problem.

[A-1 (imported)]

So what if you have a number of "castration" story sites existing at different I.P. addresses in different countries, ones that would allow it, and then you create a 'service' where one fee gives access to ALL of them, and each site is bound by a 'user agreement' then they ALL could NOT be taken down at the same time.

Furthermore, the 'service' could feed the proceeds to each site to cover bandwidth billing on a 'as needed' contract. That is, the sites that used the most bandwidth would get the most money to cover that usage.

Factor in the therapeutic issues and the 'service' being paid gains legitimacy.

Furthermore, sites given access by the fee could come and go... according to need.

[janekane (imported)]

Perhaps it was during the 1960s that I heard a radio broadcast of a book review by Gilbert Highet. The book being reviewed was Vladimir Nabokov's "Lolita."

What I remember (or mis-remember?) is Highet saying, "It is a terrible book. It should never have been written."

Yet there are folks who recognize within "Lolita" social taboo issues which are a proper concern regarding child abuse and child safety.

There evidently are people who believe that it is forbidden to address topics and concerns deemed taboo.

There evidently are people who believe that it is necessary to address topics and concerns deemed taboo; who may find it taboo to enforce other taboos.

Thus, to me, it is reasonable to expect some folks to seek to prohibit stories which touch upon the deepest of human concerns; how better to perpetrate beliefs which damage children so children can become adults whose beliefs damage children who become adults whose beliefs damage children?

There are reasonable viewpoints which I reject because I reject the reasoning upon which the viewpoints are based.

Is it other than reasonable to anticipate intense objections to stories which bring to awareness the deceptions and distortions of directly observable objective reality (does such actually exist?) which are the substance and process of that which is deemed taboo?

Is there any actual safety to be found if it is effectively forbidden to communicate among people regarding that which precludes actual safety?

To what extent is the social-tradition-objectionality of a particular fiction story a direct indicator of the intrinsic value to society of the meaning within the particular fiction story?

[Slammr (imported)]

Here is a possibility: EA could establish a free account with ASSTR, which will provide a place to post stories either as html web pages or as text or other files via ftp. The stories could be submitted to EA as before, moderated, and posted by the story moderator to ASSTR. A link from EA's entry page could be provided to the ASSTR link. Sander (http://www.asstr.org/files/Authors/Sander/) (name is a link to his story, minor content, castration story) who posted here has established an account with them and is posting stories there. While he's posting his current story in text as he writes it, I understand, once he's through with it, he may post it as a pdf or as html. The archive would exist on ASSTR not on EA and should pose no risk to EA. Another EA member is also planning to post stories to ASSTR and has said he's willing to post stories by other EA authors if they want him to post them. There wouldn't be a bandwidth problem either because the stories are on ASSTR's servers, but I would suggest, if we go that way, people support ASSTR, since their server costs are about $500/month.