What's an Alpha Male To Do?

[SplitDik (imported)]

I do believe that the French law that says that accused people shouldn't be paraded in a demeaning manner is a good law. I mean you get accused of something here and they start showing you in mug shots, handcuffs, and orange prison suits, it does start forming a public perception when you might be truly innocent. And in the days of the internet those images never disappear -- you make a run for a political office later or even just try to get a job and people will find those old pictures.

Other than that, I think that this arrest shows our system as being MORE fair, in that we're willing to tackle a powerful guy.

The victim certainly shouldn't have to be in public scrutiny unless it is determined to be a false accusation, in which case I think false accusers should face the same penalty that the person they accused faced.

Anyway, a bit of DNA evidence should be enough to convince people that he both attacked her violently and also did something sexual to her. Also, you'd think some CCTV cameras in the hall could verify the timeline.

[KittenAB (imported)]

Marriage is a legal contract and represents nothing more than living arrangements. If they're still living with their spouses then they did not break the contract in any way.

[nullorchis (imported)]

Let's not forget that we are animals still in the midst of evolution. We have developed a society, religion, rules, laws, expectations of behavior that come into conflict with our natural instincts and that no other life form on earth has to deal with.

In humans

Strong natural instincts matched with strong self control = we are in control.

Strong natural instincts matched with weak self control = nature controls us.

Weak natural instincts matched with any self control= no problem.

Being in control of one's natural sexual drive is the issue.

In both men and women, some people channel and control it because of their particular combination of self control and strength of the drive. Some people can not control it.

Which brings us full circle to why a person should be given the right to self-control their sex drive, through drugs, or castration. People who do not control their sex drive suffer personal, social, legal consequences.

Let's say society kept track of the testosterone/estrogen level of every person accused of a violent crime. What if some statistical correlation could be found between levels and such persons. Then what if everyone had the opportunity to have their levels tested, and if they are too high or too low give that person the option of a medical means to adjust the level.

Men in particular seem to be vulnerable to OCD sexual behavior . If normal / abnormal levels can be established (kind of like with cholesterol) and then adjusted via drugs or surgery so that the person could live a functional life within social boundaries, that seems like a productive use of science.

[Uncle Flo (imported)]

There have been studies of incarcerated offenders that try to relate testosterone levels with violent crime. The results, as you might suspect, have been mixed and contadictory. The current thinking is that high levels of testosterone do not have a direct correlation to violence by men when other factors (mental illness, addiction etc) have been taken into account. --FLO--

[coinflipper_21 (imported)]

Time magazine's upcoming cover, per NBC News,

"What makes powerful men act like pigs"

The main story is, "The Arnold".

Already, the anti-Alpha Male bigotry comes out. My country has become totally and one hundred percentally, wusified. What next, the requirement that a presidential candidate tear up (become verklempt in public)?

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&sugexp=ldy ... Jdz2H6uFFb 57tnuMdDqJxwcTiyf1jhJEQgZSyjISg71q1yvO1oCHwGGUMaxm WQ&pf=p&sclient=psy&safe=off&source=hp&aq=0&aqi=&aql=&oq=verkl&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=668845393480168f

Moi

If Maria is divorcing Arnold there are likely other issues than simple infidelity. Most couples don't get divorced over an affair if it's not thrown in the husband's or wife's face. He was careless enough to father a child with the woman, which makes it public record. Also, they are rich people and possibly adding another inheritor might the greater issue. From what I have seen of relationships, infidelity just provides a convenient excuse to act on the real issues that have caused the marriage to go south.

[A-1 (imported)]

If Maria is divorcing Arnold there are likely other issues than simple infidelity. Most couples don't get divorced over an affair if it's not thrown in the husband's or wife's face. He was careless enough to father a child with the woman, which makes it public record. Also, they are rich people and possibly adding another inheritor might the greater issue. From what I have seen of relationships, infidelity just provides a convenient excuse to act on the real issues that have caused the marriage to go south.

Well, how about him impregnating this wife and the housemaid at the same time, so close in fact, that the birth of the two boys was only 5 days apart? The Housemaid's child's birth certificate named the housemaid's husband as the father. I suppose that it is DNA that has revealed the truth. Now the boy has changed his last name to Shriver. Go figure...

South is a mild description. Straight to HELL is more appropriate...

[SplitDik (imported)]

South is a mild description. Straight to HELL is more appropriate...

A-1, you're still assuming that Arnold betrayed Maria somehow, but I think that is a huge stretch. I think she knew that he was a philanderer before they married, I'm sure they had an agreement that he would be free to play around after they were married, I'm sure she knew about this a long time ago, I'm sure she knows what he's actually like (i.e. steroid-fueled brute sexually), etc.

This whole thing is a typical pattern of the celebrity marriage, and is just an act on all their parts including hers. The only thing she might not like is his choice in who he cheated with, but do you really think that someone from a celebrity family (known for philandering) meeting up with a super-celeb party guy had any actual promise from him to be sexually faithful?

If he did actually betray her, then that is indeed bad. I just don't think there was any betrayal here (versus her expectations and his promises). I'm sure it still feels kind of shitty for her, but she has got more out of their marriage than most women get.

You should read up more on the idea of "negotiating monogamy". There is a key point in this particular article (http://thechart.blogs.cnn.com/2011/05/1 ... -monogamy/) where they say humans are programmed for "serial monogamy", meaning that we pair up with expectation for monogamy for some period, but it is unnatural for that to be a lifelong arrangement.

Here's transcript of a recent Larry King on the subject as well:

http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-s ... r-marriage

[moi621 (imported)]

Let's not forget that we are animals still in the midst of evolution. We have developed a society, religion, rules, laws, expectations of behavior that come into conflict with our natural instincts and that no other life form on earth has to deal with.

In humans

Strong natural instincts matched with strong self control = we are in control.

Strong natural instincts matched with weak self control = nature controls us.

Weak natural instincts matched with any self control= no problem.

Being in control of one's natural sexual drive is the issue.

In both men and women, some people channel and control it because of their particular combination of self control and strength of the drive. Some people can not control it.

Which brings us full circle to why a person should be given the right to self-control their sex drive, through drugs, or castration. People who do not control their sex drive suffer personal, social, legal consequences.

Let's say society kept track of the testosterone/estrogen level of every person accused of a violent crime. What if some statistical correlation could be found between levels and such persons. Then what if everyone had the opportunity to have their levels tested, and if they are too high or too low give that person the option of a medical means to adjust the level.

Men in particular seem to be vulnerable to OCD sexual behavior . If normal / abnormal levels can be established (kind of like with cholesterol) and then adjusted via drugs or surgery so that the person could live a functional life within social boundaries, that seems like a productive use of science.

Bring back the institutions of whore houses and mistresses for those as can afford them.

There absence from society has been relatively recent.

Moi

[Riverwind (imported)]

Bring back the institutions of whore houses and mistresses for those as can afford them.

There absence from society has been relatively recent.

Moi

Yes, there are red heads and blonds, brunets and other, tall ones short ones skinny ones fat ones and a ugly one. Something for everybody.

River

[transward (imported)]

Bring back the institutions of whore houses and mistresses for those as can afford them.

There absence from society has been relatively recent.

Moi

During the era of great sailing ships, a society matron of Boston opined, in response to someone speaking in favor of "suppression of vice," that she didn't see how, in a great port city, any "decent" lady could feel safe were "houses of ill repute" absent.

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