Short term Androcur.

[_g (imported)]

Okay.... well, I am really not sure what to do. I know this is not something to be taken lightly, but I have an opportunity and I don't want to waste it. Information from your posts like yours will eventually (I hope) help me make the decision.

I do wonder now though just how long it will take for things to get back to normal. After reading through other posts here, I understand that by adding E to my daily regimen will knock out unwanted erections more effectively. For many years I have wanted to take E because of my understanding of how it can feminise the male body.

I will keep you posted- either way (if I take the plunge or not) and will record progress (or lack of progress) daily.

Thankyou again.

vicki.

If you take androcur and estrogen you will get breast growth, but your mileage may very.

[vickitransgirl (imported)]

Not stressed about the breast growth.... but I doubt that in the short term that I am planning to do this, that there will be much of an effect there (from what I have read on this forum).

I understand that the only way to find out, is to do it!

[KittenAB (imported)]

Taking hormones in cycles actually mimics the natural levels in the body best, so it depends on your goals and how strictly you follow the cycles. Shifting your body to female levels usually doesn't decrease sex drive or abilities, though it can make you unable to reproduce you can still be active. I'm having a problem with my genitals because the female hormones have made them more active than they use to be.

Breast growth can also be controlled by the cycling of them, if that's what you want, as long as you do a "half on half off" routine they will only swell, if you do full on then they will grow because your body will think you are at puberty. There are a lot of gray areas in hormone replacement, a lot of guessing to, and all the doctors have to go on are the biased statistics. However, you will compound your possible medical problems if they "half on half off" cycles, you will have the possibilities of both genders. I recently had gallbladder removal (typically a female problem) because the stones built up enough to kill me thanks to my new female centric hormone levels.

Basically, whenever you alter the human physiology without removing the counter glands and organs you are taking a huge risk, something most doctors don't want to talk about because they don't want to remove the organs and glands to prevent it, especially in transgendered or alternate-gendered people, for many reasons (not all are bias or ignorance). However, if you do not have the major hormone producing glands then you already have a reduced risk, and sudden stops will have almost no ill effects.

[vickitransgirl (imported)]

Thankyou very much for your detailed reply Kitten.

At this stage i am not looking to mimic normal female levels of hormones. Just looking to eliminate unwanted erections and thoughts. I have read here that adding "a little" E to my daily Androcur medication will more effectively achieve in the short term, what i am looking for. Cycling in and out- on and off medication probably would not be good for my moods!

Just looking for a once off- dipping my toe in to test the water type of experience.

Thanks again,

vicki.

[loveableleopardy (imported)]

I am still looking for my opportunity of "

dipping my toe in to test the water type of experience.

"

My doctor certainly doesn't want me to even try Androcur. I can see why - he is trying to have me live a so called normal life; though I'm not sure if normal always constitutes better.

He calls it a "vicious drug," which I partially agree with, but it's not like it's going to kill me or anything. Anyway, I see him again in 3 months. He says that if I still want to try it then, then he will forward me to another doctor to do all these tests on me to see if my body can handle it.

Maybe I fly out to Thailand later this year?!

Maybe I'll end up on an episode of Border Patrol, caught smuggling cartons of Androcur into the country.....

[KittenAB (imported)]

Thankyou very much for your detailed reply Kitten.

At this stage i am not looking to mimic normal female levels of hormones. Just looking to eliminate unwanted erections and thoughts. I have read here that adding "a little" E to my daily Androcur medication will more effectively achieve in the short term, what i am looking for. Cycling in and out- on and off medication probably would not be good for my moods!

Just looking for a once off- dipping my toe in to test the water type of experience.

Thanks again,

vicki.

The idea that estrogen will reduce erections is sadly a myth, and even a lot of medical practitioners do not know this in spite of the medical journals and papers published on the real causes. While in some it will decrease erections, this is actually a sign of a higher risk of blood clots, not what's suppose to happen. Higher estrogen levels can thicken the blood, making clotting a bigger risk, with the decreased erections as a side effect. Erections happen in women to, with the same mechanisms even, just smaller because the organ that gets erect in them is much smaller. Blood circulation is the actual cause for the erection, the nerve endings there are what trigger it. Though the estrogen can decrease arousal, it's not a guarantee, referring back to the vast variations in physiology among animals (humans are animals after all) even within the same species.

Ironically, they are not looking into finding ways to help those with over active libidos, which is stupid since it's just as common of a problem as those with underactive ones, but the research into erectile dysfunction and other such "ailments" has offered some answers, just no one is seeking solutions to help decrease libido. The cure for erectile dysfunction is to improve circulation, targeting the penile glans as best as possible so as not to alter the rest of the body, which actually there's a cheap and effective medication over the counter that helps ... Aspirin. LOL Adding estrogen would, at best, make you infertile. Other than that sex drive is mostly psychological, though the physical reaction can occur even when not sexually aroused by the mental state. There is too little understanding of the mental condition to put forward any solid statements so in this matter all I can say is that you have to find out why and see if you can reverse that.

But to recap, sex drive and arousal are not always synchronized, you can be aroused even when not wanting sex due to other factors such as over sensitive nerve endings. There is no real safe way to handle this without medical help, but sadly the medical community is arrogant and seems to think that everyone with a low sex drive is somehow lying.

[KittenAB (imported)]

I am still looking for my opportunity of "

dip

ping my toe in to test the water type of experience.

"

My doctor certainly doesn't want me to even try Androcur. I can see why - he is trying to have me live a so called normal life; though I'm not sure if normal always constitutes better.

He calls it a "vicious drug," which I partially agree with, but it's not like it's going to kill me or anything. Anyway, I see him again in 3 months. He says that if I still want to try it then, then he will forward me to another doctor to do all these tests on me to see if my body can handle it.

Maybe I fly out to Thailand later this year?!

Maybe I'll end up on an episode of Border Patr

ol, caught smuggling cartons of Androcur into the country.....

Sorry to say this, but you should switch doctors, your current one is a quack and should not be practising medicine. All drugs are "vicious" if not monitored, even over the counter ones. Sounds more like he's letting his idiotic religious misconceptions influence him more than logic and intellect.

[loveableleopardy (imported)]

Sorry to say this, but you should switch doctors, your current one is a quack and should not be practising medicine. All drugs are "vicious" if not monitored, even over the counter ones. Sounds more like he's letting his idiotic religious misconceptions influence him more than logic and intellect.

Well my doctor isn't a "quack," rather he deals with people with gender disorders. He is not religious (as far as I know), but pretty much just deals with guys who have gender disorders, most of which are gay. So he sort of struggles to see why I am looking down this road - he thinks that my complaints about men being obsessed about sex and feeling guilty about wanting sex from women is just what all men have to face with being a man. As far as I can tell, no 'ordinary' doctor in Australia would even remotely consider chemical castration for me.

I get on fairly well with my doctor by the way, despite the bit of a brick wall that I'm facing.

I've sort of gotten to a stage in my life where I sort of don't care anymore. What I mean is that I just don't feel guilt like I used to. In that sense, I am totally free (and actually quite keen, lol) to just want (and be willing) to fuck any remotely hot women - and I never used to be like this. Like, I could even marry, and if I wasn't getting any then I'd just go to a brothel and not feel the least bit of remorse. Maybe that is because I am wanting my sex drive removed, but am not have the opportunity to do so? I've actually become a real bastard in a way, but still I don't really care. This probably sounds funny (and I'm actually pretty happy in some ways too, I am sort of in love and feel quite free), though it's sort of where I'm at at the moment.

I think that physically I have become more addicted to sex lately (and mentally in the sense that I've freed myself of principles/guilt), but my thoughts on still wanting to try out proper chemical castration have become even stronger. Sex is just sex. It's not life, so it shouldn't be. For the most part men have to pay too much for their sex drives (there are only so many men who can be porn/football/movie stars, lol). I'm thinking of going to a brothel again tomorrow night! I am in a current relationship, but I consider it far more cheating to say, interact with another girl that I LOVE. Sex for men is pretty much JUST physical. For women it's emotional - which is why a woman can REALLY enjoy sex, but still go without it.

That was an unexpected ramble! Enough of that....for now.

[Caith721 (imported)]

H

e thinks that my complaints about men being obsessed about sex and feeling guilty about wanting sex from women is just what all men have to face with being a man.

He should also be able to understand that not all men want to live with the distraction, and desire relief from it.

[nullorchis (imported)]

Except at the lowest levels of testosterone (which would differ for each person) getting an erection while sleeping is an obvious indicator of how they are sometimes suppressed by our conscious mind, but are physically possible, and work when we don't mentally prevent them.

Nature created sexual desire so overpowering because we would not do it if it were not so compelling and provided temporary satisfaction. The short term pleasure provided does not compensate for the misery and grief that people go through during our human lives. Animals don't have social constraints upon them. They seek and perform sexual activity completely in keeping with their natural instincts. Our natural instincts are to bunny hop, but our social constraints prevent that. This leads to so many negative issues I won't even start listing them here.

Anyone who chooses to live a life without sexual desire or ability, some say are not doing right. But nature gave us a mind and our mind is part of our nature, so how can it be unnatural to make a conscious decision to live without sex. Maybe its nature's way of trying to help restrain overpopulation. Choosing an asexual life today (even castration - but before) is an option since sperm can be acquired directly from the testes even without ejaculation and stored and used later. One need not have sex to reproduce. Religion's claim that MF marriage is vital to populate the planet just doesn't seem very realistic with 7 billion people polluting the planet and depleting the planet's natural resources and causing extinction and other problems; those issues make same sex marriage, living life without sex, and even castration, seem like sacrifices to help save the planet. Such people should be revered, not lambasted. At least I think so, since I am one of them. Never had any interest in being feminine, just a neutered male; should have been born a male dog.