America as the villian and the cause of the worlds woes...

[A-1 (imported)]

Of course, I doubt if you'll find anyone in the USA to do it and might have a hard time convincing any surgeon to do it.

this is typacly [sic] american. Alsways [sic] think the world wide web is only to be used in america. If one doesn't tell where they come from, most americans assume they from the usa. Well, i'm not, for as the world is a lot bigger then amerca

This hateful bullshit came from some low-life person named "Hans" who posted under the name of "nogender"

This post and response came from the "Fantasy Board" and I am not so sure that it doesn't still belong there. But in the interests of this community and the world, I want to share this with the E.A. and invite and encourage everyone's comments.

It is really too bad that some people from outside America have this insane habit of blaming the USA for all of their shortcomings as peoples and nations.

In other words the best way that some dictator, nut, kook, wierd-oh or otherwise impared indiividual can arouse his fellow countrymen and organize some sort of political or religious movement is to "blame" all of their woes, poverty, ignorance, lack of world prominence on America.

IT is really a problem that historically we see in whole countries, factions within countries, and more and more lately, certain religous movements trying to use the same old methods with the same old results.

It is such a LIE by vile, filthy, power-hungry, greedy, Godless provocatuers bent on furthering their position. It is of little consequence what their agendas are because ultimately we always see the same consistant results.

The people whom they profess to help, suffer from the results of their hateful lies and behavior. Not only do they cause suffering by convicing them that they will go to heaven by killing innocent people, thus taking their lives needlessly, (not only Americans, but whoever happens to be around) but they make those who live on suffer from the lack of American and free world $$$, which I might add is given freely to governments to help them support and feed their people.

The truth is, the more that world governments mimmick the free nations, the richer they become and the larger the middle class gets. In other words, its citizens get better off both freedom-wise and financially.

Well, to Hans and whoever reads this. If you started tomorrow with a clean slate and had the monies of the world divided equally, in 300- 400 years things would be exactly as they are now.

The people of the world who knew how to accumulate wealth and manage it would go somewhere and form their own country.

Said country would have safeguards against people like you, HANS, AND that binLaden character who stepped on a landmine that resulted in an explosion that took a whole society down with him in Afghanistan!

SAID country would extend a hand in friendship to its citizens and provide its citizens with liberties and freedoms that you and despots like you despise because it denies you CONTROL. They would still try to manage the world in their UNSELFISH wish to see to it that others are allowed to live in peace and freedom. They would not allow you and your ilk to use fear and terrorism to control the innocent and to accumulate power and wealth.

AND THAT...., IS HOW IT IS. IT IS HOW IT SHOULD BE.

What is happening in the world today is not to be blamed on America, but instead on opportunists like you that use, religion, lies and hate-mongering to threaten, intimidate and worst of all, to accumulate personal wealth and power

As long as the people in America maintain their will to be free, you and your kind, HANS, will NEVER succeed.

You and your ideas will soon be found on the trash heap of history once again.

You are a loser!

Go deal with it!



A-1

[peter4u (imported)]

Once again, A-1, you've left me breathless.

All I can say is, I agree...

wholly.

Neo

[radar (imported)]

C'mon, A-1, stop holding back. Let us know what you really think....

If you started tomorrow with a clean slate and had the monies of the world divided equally, in 300- 400 years things would be exactly as they are now.

And THAT is the bottom line.

[Paolo]

A-1,

Settle down, buddy! Don't work yourself up into a stroke! Well, maybe work Vi up into a stroke FOR you, but that's a stroke of a different color, isnt' it?

I should probably also reaffirm my sarcasm in what I said about giving Uncle George W. enough time on conquering the world ... he's NOT my uncle!

Amazing how it parallels your personal life - one day you're the bank, one day you're the savior, one day you're the crying shoulder ... and the only time you hear from these relatives (read-other nations) is when they want something from you. Sounds like my relatives and neighbors huh?

Let's start by annexing Mexico. Pay Carmen Miranda $75k a year to dance with that trippy hat on ... eliminate this cheap labor problem. MONEY for everyone. Next we'll move on down to Central America and put Nancy Reagan in as Queen Nancy the Red.

Rain forests? No problem. Keep going south. Fillet of pirahna, anyone? Always wanted to visit Chile.

I could go on, but I won't. I don't wanna stir up my Midwestern cohort any more ... LOL.

:tongueout :p

[A-1 (imported)]

Yes,

We could go on into Brazil...and then we could put a big hydro-electric dam on the Amazon river.

It flows 10 times the water of the St. Lawrence Seaway.

It would be bigger than the dam that the Chinese are building on the Yangzse River. That would bring the biggest dam back to the North American continent.

All kidding aside..., I tire of hearing how bad America is and how the government is sooo corrupt.

I am even ashamed that when this all blew up on 9-11 the Supreme Court, the Senate Judiciary Committee and Tom Daschle(sp?) the Senate majority leader, recieved Anthrax contaminated mail that it was later revealed through DNA testing had originated in this country.

Think about that one, Paolo! That gives me the creeps because I have seen how people try to influence politics. We would have had the Patriot Act passed anyway, because we always need a war powers act when at war.

Believe me, this is WAR.

I can tolerate views that are anti-status quo from fellow Americans, but I am sick and tired of hearing it from those who take American aid and then turn and bite the hand that feeds them like the rabid dogs that they are!

I can only say this for Hans...

I hope that when he goes home and crawls under the porch that his mother BITES HIM!



A-1

Now, how is that for more inner feelings?

BTW, I think that I smell another FUCKING TROLL! What thinkest all of thou?

[Losethem (imported)]

Actually, the whole terroism problem has very little to do with the USA. It has everything to do with what Bin Laden and his folks want to do in the middle east.

He and his pals want to set up fundamentalist Islamic regimes throughout the middle east. There is one problem, the USA and the west get a large portion of their energy from those nations. As long as we get a large portion of our energy from that part of the world, we will continue to support the current administration in whatever nation (we've already nuertalized Iraq for the most part) has the energy reserves.

This stands in the way of letting the fundamentalist regimes take over. They are stong enough to do so if the US and the west were not in the way. What happens? They rise up and form terrorist groups, and attack the western nations hoping to get them to withdraw their influence in that part of the world. If they can get the west out of the way, then they can set up their regimes, essentially turning the whole middle east into a place similar to Iran.

Personally, I don't have a problem with that. However the west needs to develop alternative energy sources and tell the middle east/oil producing countries to go to hell. As long as we remain dependent upon oil, we will have to keep governments in place in the middle east that are favorable to western views. That is unless you want to pay $6.00 a gallon for gasoline.

Can you guess what my major in college was?

Just my .02 worth.

[A-1 (imported)]

Your post says that...

This stands in the way of letting the fundamentalist regimes take over. They are stong enough to do so if the US and the west were not in the way. What happens? They rise up and form terrorist groups, and attack the western nations hoping to get them to withdraw their influence in that part of the world. If they can get the west out of the way, then they can set up their regimes, essentially turning the whole middle east into a place similar to Iran.

Personally, I don't have a problem with that. However the west needs to develop alternative energy sources and tell the middle east/oil producing countries to go to hell.

The problem that I have with it is that it condemns the whole ARAB region to a historical time comparable with the Dark Ages. It is truly a crying shame that the Arab culture, which gave us the foundations of our science, mathematics and social ideas, has fallen upon such an intellectually barren time.

The true problem is not Islam per se, but the corruption of it by those who claim to be Clerics, but in fact are nothing but greedy, power-hungry control freaks out to control the whole world. It is terrible! The mutilation of women's genitalia, the repression of femininity, the perpetuation of ignorance. In the name of humanity it has to be stopped!

Consider that in the Dark Ages the Christian Church was responsible for the repression of freedom, ideas and science. It was travel through the Arab lands to China that helped bring back the ideas that sparked the Renaissance.

It is sad indeed that now the Free World has to exert Military Muscle to help bring back the tolerance and free-flow of ideas to the Arab culture that will hopefully spark their Renaissance into a modern, progressive world culture contributor.

I do, however, respect your position, especially the part about alternate forms of transportation. In my opinion the oil companies and the automobile industry, that is Henry Ford for one, is responsible at least partially, for this mess. As a country we made the decision long ago to forego public transportation for private transportation. It was a mistake, one that we can never go back and correct.

We are in the mess that we are in and there is no turning back. Isolationism is not the answer. If we do not control these backward ideas, and some of the Middle Eastern Arab countries become significant nuclear powers we will have a situation on our hands that will make the Cold War with Russia pale in comparison.

I say that we must be proactive here. It is, unfortunately, as "W" says, not a time to draw back.

A-1

[Riverwind (imported)]

A1, you have such a way with word, I wish i could write as well.

"Hans" if your still there take note, the rest of us reflect.

Something I saved a couple of days after 911 -

The other day, terrorist attacks on New York and Washington has brought my country to a point of rage and anger. The bigger question is why?

A Canadian wrote this several years ago

Subject: America The Beautiful

In the wake of the election fiasco and the national tragedy of today,

this is worth reading. We still live in the greatest country in the

world and sometimes we forget what we have worked so hard for.

This, from a Canadian newspaper, is worth sharing:

America: The Good Neighbor.

By Gordon Sinclair 1900 – 1984

Widespread but only partial news coverage was given recently to A

remarkable editorial broadcast from Toronto by Gordon Sinclair, a

Canadian television commentator. What follows is the full text of

his trenchant remarks as printed in the Congressional Record:

"This Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the Americans as the

most generous and possibly the least appreciated people on all the

earth. Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and Italy were

lifted out of the debris of war by the Americans who poured in billions

of dollars and forgave other billions in debts. None of these countries

is today paying even the interest on its remaining debts to the United

States.

When France was in danger of collapsing in 1956, it was the Americans

who propped it up, and their reward was to be insulted and swindled on

the streets of Paris. I was there. I saw it.

When earthquakes hit distant cities, it is the United States that hurries

in to help. This spring, 59 American communities were flattened by

tornadoes. Nobody helped. The Marshall Plan and the Truman Policy

pumped billions of dollars into discouraged countries. Now newspapers

in those countries are writing about the decadent, warmongering

Americans. I'd like to see just one of those countries that is

gloating over the erosion of the United States dollar build its own

airplane. Does any other country in the world have a plane to equal

the Boeing Jumbo Jet, the Lockheed Tri-Star, or the Douglas DC10? If

so, why don't they fly them? Why do all the International lines except

Russia fly American Planes?

Why does no other land on earth even consider putting a man or woman on

the moon?

You talk about Japanese technocracy, and you get radios.

You talk about German technocracy, and you get automobiles.

You talk about American technocracy, and you find men on the moon - not

once, but several times - and safely home again.

You talk about scandals, and the Americans put theirs right in the store

window for everybody to look at.

Even their draft-dodgers are not pursued and hounded. They are here on

our streets, and most of them, unless they are breaking Canadian laws,

are getting American dollars from ma and pa at home to spend here.

When the railways of France, Germany and India were breaking down

through age, it was the Americans who rebuilt them. When the

Pennsylvania Railroad and the New York Central went broke, nobody

loaned them an old caboose. Both are still broke.

I can name you 5000 times when the Americans raced to the help of other

people in trouble. Can you name me even one time when someone else

raced to the Americans in trouble? I don't think there was outside

help even during the San Francisco earthquake. Our neighbors have

faced it alone, and I'm one Canadian who is damned tired of hearing

them get kicked around. They will come out of this thing with their

flag high. And when they do, they are entitled to thumb their nose

at the lands that are gloating over their present troubles. I hope

Canada is not one of those."

Stand proud, America!

[Paolo]

I remember that article. Very good, indeed.

The solution to the problem of having a giving hand bitten is very, very simple - stop handing out money and aid.

[luvpain (imported)]

Riverwind thanks for the post.

I had heard that broadcast on the radio a few times after the 9/11 attacks. I believe there are a number of good points in it and to hear it read like it was on the radio almost a year ago, would just bring up lots of emotions, and maybe a tear or two to your eyes.

Thanks for posting the link as I had been looking for it back last year.