I am looking into insite and information to guide me in prepareing for castration,Just one thing has me concerned,Is it a Huge Unforgiviable sin and result in eternity in Hell? Being that I'm gay,I'm told many times that I'm headed there anyway, which that I don't believe at all but becoming a EUNUCH or perhaps a NULLO does have me concerned.
Anyones inste on this will be greatly appreciated
Thanks
~Ken
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Ken--
I am in a similar situation to yours. I am gay, get the whole organized religion back flack. I figure if I'm already going to hell for being gay, then fulfilling my desire to get castrated can't do any more damage to that popular religious view.
I'd like to talk to you and find out what you think about the subject. If the "S.C." in your profile stands for South Carolina, USA then we are not that far from each other.
I wish you luck and happiness in your pursuits. Please feel free to contact me.
I am in a similar situation to yours. I am gay, get the whole organized religion back flack. I figure if I'm already going to hell for being gay, then fulfilling my desire to get castrated can't do any more damage to that popular religious view.
I'd like to talk to you and find out what you think about the subject. If the "S.C." in your profile stands for South Carolina, USA then we are not that far from each other.
I wish you luck and happiness in your pursuits. Please feel free to contact me.
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Book of Isiah, Chapter 56, verses 1 to 8.
Learn it by heart, and quote to anyone who hassels you.
Learn it by heart, and quote to anyone who hassels you.
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Andrew (imported) wrote: Sat Jul 20, 2002 2:59 pm Book of Isiah, Chapter 56, verses 1 to 8.
Learn it by heart, and quote to anyone who hassels you.
That should have been the Book of Isaiah, not Isiah.
And there is always Matthew Chapter 19, verses 11 and 12.
Far from castration being a sin, Jesus wanted those able to accept castration to do so.
Another great verse to remember and quote back. Of course, most Christians will wiggle out and say that Jesus didn't LITERALLY mean castrate yourself, and come up with reasons for that. And some translations alter the wording. But it is quite clear in the original Greek, and the King James version is an accurate translation.
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Sin ... sin ... sin ... reminds me of the line from Monty Python, much like spam spam spam ...
Hell's Bells, everything's a sin to someone or another ... being happy is a sin, you know. Just ask my sister - she's the authority on sin. And spam , but I digress .....
As for my own thoughts on it, I say NO it's not a sin! (being a eunuch; spam is a sin, yes).
But then again, I don't think that too many things are. The only truly unforgiveable sin, according to Christian delusion - I mean belief - is "willful blasphemy of the Holy Spirit."
Look at it this way as well - one of the major Old Testament prophets, Daniel was a eunuch, probably nullified around the age of 12 or so. He and his 3 best friends, actually. Must have had SOME kind of favor in God's eyes, because Daniel got to see all the cool visions and hung out with The Big Guy on a regular basis. His 3 buddies even got their asses saved from being flambe'd in the furnace by a member of the Heavenly Host; many theologians believe it was God Incarnate.
Now if being a eunuch was a sin, and made one a vile creature, would God be hanging out with you? I doubt it.
Hell's Bells, everything's a sin to someone or another ... being happy is a sin, you know. Just ask my sister - she's the authority on sin. And spam , but I digress .....
As for my own thoughts on it, I say NO it's not a sin! (being a eunuch; spam is a sin, yes).
But then again, I don't think that too many things are. The only truly unforgiveable sin, according to Christian delusion - I mean belief - is "willful blasphemy of the Holy Spirit."
Look at it this way as well - one of the major Old Testament prophets, Daniel was a eunuch, probably nullified around the age of 12 or so. He and his 3 best friends, actually. Must have had SOME kind of favor in God's eyes, because Daniel got to see all the cool visions and hung out with The Big Guy on a regular basis. His 3 buddies even got their asses saved from being flambe'd in the furnace by a member of the Heavenly Host; many theologians believe it was God Incarnate.
Now if being a eunuch was a sin, and made one a vile creature, would God be hanging out with you? I doubt it.
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Huy Guys,
I am greatful for your insite, I've been actualy thinking of castration since as far back as the early 90's, One of the thoughts I believed stimmed from a 3 way with 2 S&M leather wearing men who got into some rough stuff,well I'll cut to the chase,I was tied spread eagle to a bed and had a thin rope tied tightly around my scrotem and the other end of the string tied to a door knob,one of the guys kept gently tugging at the door and the other guy was on the bed telling me all his lover has to do is to SLAM the door and thus instantly removing my nutts scrotem,Ofcorse they did'nt really plan to do it ,but they were somewhat turned on by the thought of castration to a good looking guy (thats me lol) well The thought did turn me on and later I dated a gay man who had no nutts and scrotem,he was in a car wreck and had to have them both removed in the emergency room.
and my wish has been slowly growing eversince to become a eunuch.
I am greatful for your insite, I've been actualy thinking of castration since as far back as the early 90's, One of the thoughts I believed stimmed from a 3 way with 2 S&M leather wearing men who got into some rough stuff,well I'll cut to the chase,I was tied spread eagle to a bed and had a thin rope tied tightly around my scrotem and the other end of the string tied to a door knob,one of the guys kept gently tugging at the door and the other guy was on the bed telling me all his lover has to do is to SLAM the door and thus instantly removing my nutts scrotem,Ofcorse they did'nt really plan to do it ,but they were somewhat turned on by the thought of castration to a good looking guy (thats me lol) well The thought did turn me on and later I dated a gay man who had no nutts and scrotem,he was in a car wreck and had to have them both removed in the emergency room.
and my wish has been slowly growing eversince to become a eunuch.
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There are two issues being discussed here. Castration affecting salvation and the biblical consequences of homosexuality.
Before discussing these, it is important to recognize the difference between organized religion and the Bible. Often, the two do not agree. For those who buy into the holy origin of the Bible, then it should be the center of any discussion. "Religion" is often a mixture of biblical interpretation and "church tradition" whether that tradition is based on the content of the Bible or not, as is the case in many contemporary forms of Christianity. To really investigate what is or is not important, it is better to examine what was actually said, rather than rely on what somebody in some pulpit paid for by an organization with budgets and a possible agenda tells you has been said. The intended relationship was supposed to be between the believer and his or her God, not the believer and the pulpit.
Castration does not appear to be something that will send you to hell. As was pointed out by the reference to Isaiah, eunuchs were at least accepted and possibly to be admired from a biblical standpoint. I forget the name of the early church figurehead in the centuries following the death of Christ who advocated celebacy to the point of castration, having done so to himself. Matthew 18:9-10 even quotes Jesus as saying that "If your right eye offends you, pluck it out..." Even though the context of the passage greatly changes the meaning of these words, He probably would not use something as a figurative example of what to do if that act would compromise your eternal fate. Especially when you consider that the context is how NOT to go to hell. So, removing a body part does not appear to result in damnation. So if trimming your beard, removing tonsils, the appendix, etc are fine, the testicles aren't much more of a stretch. Isaiah suggests it's at the very least permissible. If it were a sin to be castrated, I would expect to hear various churches telling testicular cancer patients to choose between living and going to hell. As far as I know, none of the main Christian churches do. The evidence suggests that castration is a personal choice, neither mandated or forbidden.
As to homosexuality, I don't know yet. Being straight and married, it wasn't something that really applied to me. There are biblical scholars who suggest that the original Hebrew word for Sodomy only refers to a forcible and non-consentual act of homosexuality, and that the city was destroyed because the people were truly evil to others. There were two angels posing as men visiting Sodom and the local crowd wanted to get to "know" them. This didn't include sharing a round of beers at the local pub. The situation would suggest that God destroyed the city because the people were the type who raped strangers, not because they happened to be gay. On the other hand, Leviticus contains prohibitions on homosexual acts. Having friends who are gay, and family in the medical profesion, I do know that some people TRULY are "born that way" and that it isn't just a choice, it's the way the brain is wired. They can't help being gay any more than I can help being straight. So I don't know, the morality question can be argued either way, but when the tread hits the pavement it's all academic. Some people ARE gay, not by choice, but by birth. The God I have come to know judges people according to their actions and who they choose to become during the course of a lifetime, not **what they are**, or what they were created through birth to be, and anyone believing in God should believe that He has something to do with that part.
Just my two cents worth...
Joe
Before discussing these, it is important to recognize the difference between organized religion and the Bible. Often, the two do not agree. For those who buy into the holy origin of the Bible, then it should be the center of any discussion. "Religion" is often a mixture of biblical interpretation and "church tradition" whether that tradition is based on the content of the Bible or not, as is the case in many contemporary forms of Christianity. To really investigate what is or is not important, it is better to examine what was actually said, rather than rely on what somebody in some pulpit paid for by an organization with budgets and a possible agenda tells you has been said. The intended relationship was supposed to be between the believer and his or her God, not the believer and the pulpit.
Castration does not appear to be something that will send you to hell. As was pointed out by the reference to Isaiah, eunuchs were at least accepted and possibly to be admired from a biblical standpoint. I forget the name of the early church figurehead in the centuries following the death of Christ who advocated celebacy to the point of castration, having done so to himself. Matthew 18:9-10 even quotes Jesus as saying that "If your right eye offends you, pluck it out..." Even though the context of the passage greatly changes the meaning of these words, He probably would not use something as a figurative example of what to do if that act would compromise your eternal fate. Especially when you consider that the context is how NOT to go to hell. So, removing a body part does not appear to result in damnation. So if trimming your beard, removing tonsils, the appendix, etc are fine, the testicles aren't much more of a stretch. Isaiah suggests it's at the very least permissible. If it were a sin to be castrated, I would expect to hear various churches telling testicular cancer patients to choose between living and going to hell. As far as I know, none of the main Christian churches do. The evidence suggests that castration is a personal choice, neither mandated or forbidden.
As to homosexuality, I don't know yet. Being straight and married, it wasn't something that really applied to me. There are biblical scholars who suggest that the original Hebrew word for Sodomy only refers to a forcible and non-consentual act of homosexuality, and that the city was destroyed because the people were truly evil to others. There were two angels posing as men visiting Sodom and the local crowd wanted to get to "know" them. This didn't include sharing a round of beers at the local pub. The situation would suggest that God destroyed the city because the people were the type who raped strangers, not because they happened to be gay. On the other hand, Leviticus contains prohibitions on homosexual acts. Having friends who are gay, and family in the medical profesion, I do know that some people TRULY are "born that way" and that it isn't just a choice, it's the way the brain is wired. They can't help being gay any more than I can help being straight. So I don't know, the morality question can be argued either way, but when the tread hits the pavement it's all academic. Some people ARE gay, not by choice, but by birth. The God I have come to know judges people according to their actions and who they choose to become during the course of a lifetime, not **what they are**, or what they were created through birth to be, and anyone believing in God should believe that He has something to do with that part.
Just my two cents worth...
Joe
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balljack (imported) wrote: Sat Jul 20, 2002 6:36 pm Castration does not appear to be something that will send you to hell. As was pointed out by the reference to Isaiah, eunuchs were at least accepted and possibly to be admired from a biblical standpoint. I forget the name of the early church figurehead in the centuries following the death of Christ who advocated celebacy to the point of castration, having done so to himself.
Origen, later branded as a heratic for advocating Universal Salvation.
http://www.utm.edu/research/iep/o/origen.htm