Estrogen is unsafe?

[happousai (imported)]

Today, I asked my urologist whether it was safe for me to take Evanesce (which I described as a herbal product containing estrogen and anti-androgens).

His answer was no. He said that they used to prescribe estrogen to men with prostate cancer, but stopped due to estrogen's blood clotting effects which had all these men getting heart attacks, strokes, etc.

He also said that regular erections were required for the penis to remain healthy, and that some people who tried to suppress erections ended up with blood flow problems in the penis, and he said something about scarring.

Thoughts?

[Sherry (imported)]

Today, I asked my urologist whether it was safe for me to take Evanesce (which I described as a herbal product containing estrogen and anti-androgens).

His answer was no. He said that they used to prescribe estrogen to men with prostate cancer, but stopped due to estrogen's blood clotting effects which had all these men getting heart attacks, strokes, etc.

He also said that regular erections were required for the penis to remain healthy, and that some people who tried to suppress erections ended up with blood flow problems in the penis, and he said something about scarring.

Thoughts?

Several years ago, we were told in one of the Wellness Health classes at work that prostate patients weren't given estrogen until their cancer reached stage C, at which point the fatality rate was 60%.

But if estrogen was decided on, the patient would typically take very high doses, several times what is considered the upper end of the safe range for even a non-castrated pre-op transsexual. Therefore, whatever risk factors cancer patients incurred would be irrelevant to those of us who wish to take only a fraction of the estrogen that they took.

Still, I'm surprised if estrogen was stopped for prostate cancer patients, because if the death rate at stage C is 60%, then the risk of other health problems would be the least of their worries.

As for me, I don't want a healthy penis. I can only wish what your doctor said were true, because if my estrogen would bring any harm to it, then not only might I easily get a doctor to remove it, but almost any insurance would have to cover it.

[Andrew (imported)]

Today, I asked my urologist whether it was safe for me to take Evanesce (which I described as a herbal product containing estrogen and anti-androgens).

His answer was no. He said that they used to prescribe estrogen to men with prostate cancer, but stopped due to estrogen's blood clotting effects which had all these men getting heart attacks, strokes, etc.

He also said that regular erections were required for the penis to remain healthy, and that some people who tried to suppress erections ended up with blood flow problems in the penis, and he said something about scarring.

Thoughts?

Strange, your Urologist says that "they" have stopped prescribing estrogen for men with prostate cancer. That may be true where you are, but I know a lot of men taking estrogen for just that reason.

In my case, I am taking estrogen to deal with the hot flashes, and will probably cease when the colder weather arrives. But in any case, I am aware of the alledged risks. I am also aware of the lack of any rigorous studies about this. I am WELL aware of the recent HRT study that got terminated, although that study was on women taking both estrogen and progestin.

I am over the age of 18, my IQ is well above 70, I talked this over with my physician, and I feel I have the right to give my "informed consent" to continue my current estrogen therapy.

As for penis scarring, I'd have to say "huh?" By "restricting blood flow to the penis" how? Unlike Sherry, I have no nightime erections. so my penis may, probably will, shrink. But shrinkage is not the same as scarring.

[CT212 (imported)]

Today, I asked my urologist whether it was safe for me to take Evanesce (which I described as a herbal product containing estrogen and anti-androgens).

If you are going to take estrogen you should have blood tests done to check for any problems. Your doctor can not stop you from taking estrogens, but you should ask to be monitored to do it safely.

His answer was no.....

My doctor just doubled my dose of estrogen, to my surprise and delight, and added an anti-androgen. There are certain risks when taking estrogen and I am taking a high dose of aspirin to prevent any problems. When I asked if this was a higher than normal dose of estrogen, he basically told me that everyone will respond different to a given dose.

He also said that regular erections were required for the penis to remain healthy, and that some people who tried to suppress erections ended up with blood flow problems in the penis, and he said something about scarring.

I do not want to have erections and do not care if using estrogen causes erectile problems.

Chris

[Paolo]

Personally, I think the findings are coming from those in higher risk groups and that the data is flawed.

Naturally, if there is history of stroke in your lineage and you're overweight, smoke, have heart trouble already, then yes, estrogens (or T.) is probably bad for you.

It seems that every time something comes along that seems to make sense and eases the discomforts for some people, someone comes along crying FOUL and shuts it down.

Of course, I don't trust doctors nor the medical community as a whole, either - and what they say, I do the exact opposite.

Coffee, cigarettes, sodium, saturated fat, cholesterol, and lack of sleep and the worst diet you can imagine ... I'll probably outlive them all.:tongueout :tongueout :tongueout :tongueout

[Mac (imported)]

You can use different statistics to prove different views. Remember, statistics don't lie but liers use statistics.

[madscientist (imported)]

Of course, I don't trust doctors nor the medical community as a whole, either - and what they say, I do the exact opposite.

Coffee, cigarettes, sodium, saturated fat, cholesterol, and lack of sleep and the worst diet you can imagine ... I'll probably outlive them all.:tongueout :tongueout :tongueout :tongueout

20 years ago doctors said that taking vitamin supplements was a waste of money. I have been taking them for longer than that. Now they say it is the best thing you could do. FUCK DOCTORS! Just do what you feel.

[happousai (imported)]

So I was in the hospital yesterday and today for some surgery (non-castration related), and ended up having to wear an indwelling catheter for a while.

Every time I got an erection, it would hurt a lot.

When a doctor (a general surgeon, I think) came to check on me, I told him about the erection problem and asked him if he could give me something to stop the erections. He said there wasn't anything for that; I then asked specifically about anti-androgens, and he replied that there were too many side effects from anti-androgens.

So much for that. (I wonder what the doctor would have said, had he been an endocrinologist.)