Hoping for a GID diagnosis

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Caith721 (imported) wrote: Sat Aug 13, 2011 2:05 pm T is 10.99 ng/dL, or as low as humanly possible. :D

E is 68.60 ng/dL, or in the very low normal range. :-\

My GP doesn't think I need any more E, but personally I do.

I'll be adding an extra 2mg to my daily intake soon (courtesy of InHouse Pharmacy)

At least I don't have to worry about purchasing cyproterone anymore. :)

I too dislike the effect that T has had on my body, but it worries me the "T is evil," and "my T is lower than your T" discussions that trans girls get into. Pushing

T below the normal female level (Female: 30 - 95 ng/dL) can totally eliminate the normal female libido and lead to depression, lethargy, and general malaise. A number of T girls I know add a T cream to their hormone regimen, and report a dramatic increase in libido, energy and general sense of well being.

Your decision to increase your estradol dosage from 4 to 6 mg should be no problem. The most common E dosage among healthy T girls, with no liver problems, is 6 mg. Unless your E levels go higher than normal female levels I don't think you have anything to worry about on that count,

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Thank you, Transward. I read the TSDoItYourselfHormones group at Yahoo! for almost two years before beginning HRT. I knew that so long as T was still being actively produced (with no suppression) that 8 mg/day of Estradiol was acceptable for most people. For the year before my orchiectomy, I was taking 8 mg/day along with Cyproterone daily. I lowered this to 4 mg/day a few weeks before my surgery, and that's all I've been taking for the last two months. I have a follow-up visit with my GP regarding my new dosage of Abilify (for treatment resistant depression.) At that time I'll review my results with her, and tell her I desire to maintain a higher level of Estradiol, not the lower end of normal as I currently have.

I also agree with you, there is no sense in spouting "T is entirely evil!" like a mantra. Nor is there any sense in competing by saying "My T is lower than yours" or "My E is higher than yours, nanna nanna boo boo!" ;) Everyone's body and metabolism and biochemistry is uniquely their own. Some people have naturally higher levels than others, and nobody but the doctors ever really have any idea, until they see the numbers from the blood tests.

FYI, here are the ranges the lab listed on my blood test for both T and E:

Testosterone, Total:

Tanner Stage I Male: < 30 ng/dL Female: < 10 ng/dL

Tanner Stage II Male: < 150 ng/dL Female: < 30 ng/dL

Tanner Stage III Male: 100-320 ng/dL Female: < 35 ng/dL

Tanner Stage IV Male: 200-970 ng/dL Female: 15-40 ng/dL

Tanner Stage V Male: 350-890 ng/dL Female: 10-70 ng/dL

Estradiol:

Males: 0.0-39.0 pg/mL

Females:

Follicular phase (-12 to -4 days) 19.5 to 144.2 pg/mL

Mid-cycle ( -3 to +2 days) 63.9 to 356.7 pg/mL

Luteal phase ( +4 to +12 days) 55.8 to 214.2 pg/mL

Post-menopausal 0.0 to 32.2 pg/mL
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Caith721 (imported) wrote: Sat Aug 13, 2011 2:05 pm T is 10.99 ng/dL, or as low as humanly possible. :D

These results confirm my readings that once one has his testicles removed, one's T level typically goes down to 10-20 ng/dl. Castration through alcohol injections or by temporary chemical means does not lower it to this degree. This does not mean that one does not experience many of the same symptoms of having one's testicles removed; however, I would think the effects are probably somewhat less, depending upon the T level that one is able to achieve by using these alternate means of castration. Maybe others who started with alcohol injections or chemical castration and were eventually surgically castrated can comment on their experiences.
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nonames, I respectfully disagree. I had been on spironolactone for a year and then cyproterone for over six months when I performed seven sets of ethanol injections. The evening of the day I first injected, I felt very strong hot flashes, even though I was taking 8 mg estrogen per day at the time. I was concerned I might still have some low level of T (< 100) when the orchi was performed, leading to more hot flashes after they were gone. It never happened. :D
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Too frequent, for the wrong reasons, obviously. I have no issues experiencing erections when manually stimulated by my spouse, that's when it's supposed to happen. What pisses me off greatly is when putting on a bit of makeup, or putting on a brassiere and the damned thing decides to go erect. I'm guessing this is a learned reaction from all those years of surreptitiously dressing, but it's one reaction I'd seriously prefer my body would un-learn.

Does anyone have any suggestions for preventing or minimizing the likelihood of these erections? I prefer to tuck every day, and they make it more difficult than it should be. And yes, I've considered just having the damned thing cut off, but neither I nor the spouse is ready for that step, yet.
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Here is a link to an on line test I found on a transgender clinic web site. I think it is accurate.http://www.transsexual.org/cogiati_english.html
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paring (imported) wrote: Mon Sep 05, 2011 1:16 pm Here is a link to an on line test I found on a transgender clinic web site. I think it is accurate.http://www.transsexual.org/cogiati_english.html

The Cogati is well known, can be great fun as a game but should not be taken too seriously, it is sometimes accurate in the same way stereotypes are frequently accurate, but it is neither scientific nor accurate beyond simple stereotypes.

http://www.tsroadmap.com/mental/cogiati.html

The COGIATI "gender test"

COGIATI is an acronym for Combined Gender Identity And Transsexuality Inventory, named to sound like a standardized psychology test (even though it is not).

First off, I like and respect Jennifer, who created the COGIATI. I think her site is great. However, I disagree in the strongest and most respectful terms with her on the usefulness and validity of her COGIATI test. Because it is based in part on Brain Sex, the COGIATI is as troubling as the book that influenced its creation.

Description: The COGIATI was written by Jennifer Diane Reitz. It is composed of questions purportedly based on neurological or social sex differentiation and scored thus:-650 to -390 Class 1 (Definite Male)

-389 to -130 Class 2 (Feminine Male)

-129 to 129 Class 3 (Androgyne)

130 to 389 Class 4 (Probable Transsexual)

390 to 650 Class 5 (Classic Transsexual)

Some questions are reworkings of Bem and Moir-Jessel questions. As Jennifer writes:

The COGIATI is a prototype. It was designed for only one target: the curious, unsure, pre-operative POTENTIAL Male-To-Female transsexual (not a post-op, not someone who is already certain, not a Female-To-Male, not anyone else who fails to fit the stated definition target). Further, it was constructed for that given target only because no scientifically and medically based test for such people exists. None. Anywhere. I saw that there was a void, no physicians were filling it, and so I set to work. The COGIATI is a challenge to the scientific and medical community to follow my example, and do a better job than I.

While this is a noble cause, I believe the danger of this amateur attempt is the fundamentally sexist premise on which it is based. Jennifer's rationale for using stereotypes [emphasis mine]:

"Women are better at some skills, on average, and men are better at some skills, on average, but there is some crossover too. There is crossover, because mistakes happen during development in the womb. Males and females are clumsily constructed, because Nature is not perfect. Nature is sloppy. So there is crossover, and sometimes, occasionally you will have a female mathematical genius with superb spacial [sic] skills."

Source: http://transsexual.org/wordoncogiati.html

First, I think "mistakes" is a very loaded term and a value judgment about the diversity of humanity. Second, stereotypes and scientific precision do not mix well. Stereotypes fail when you try to apply them to individuals, which is why the COGIATI fails when applied to individuals. As Anne Lawrence notes: "According to Ms. Reitz, typical male-to-female transsexuals are hopeless at math and science, love to sit close to strangers and be hugged by them, can't park cars, can't tell directions, get lost easily, suffer from migraines, are not assertive, and (of course) do not eroticize their own femininity."

People will see what they want to see. Those who swear to the test's accuracy are the ones who got the result they wanted.

Anne Lawrence states: "I think that both the COGIATI and the Moir-Jessel tests are little more than pseudo-scientific nonsense, and that anyone trying to figure out his or her gender identity issues would be well advised to ignore both."

I agree with this assessment. Because this test takes Brain Sex to be a valid scientific platform upon which to base its premise, it is as flawed at its core as the Brain Sex book is.

For a little comic relief, I recommend taking the DIANATI, a very funny spoof on the COGIATI.

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Yeah, I've seen the COGIATI before. I was Class 4 - not all the way there, but too far not to do something about it. It's essentially 50-plus years of conditioning I'm attempting to overcome, and that's never easy. It took me a few months to overcome delayed orgasms due to Prozac, this will probably take me until I die.
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Hi everyone,

I disagree about COGIATI in this one respect, because of the test being there, it helps people face up to and begin to accept being transgendered. It is not scientific in determining if someone is really transsexual or not, but it's very good at getting people to admit they have gender issues. It validates something they already knew. You see, there is no test to determine if one is transsexual or not. No one can tell a person they are transsexual. They have to figure it out for themselves. COGIATI helps people start down that path. In that regard it is still a good and useful tool.

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The wife asked me last weekend how long it had been, and I suddenly realized I just passed my one year anniversary of having them off. :D
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