Trans relationships

[chemcast scot (imported)]

But what about those who fall in love with a mtf with not knowing about the past of that person what dose that make them ??

[twaddler (imported)]

But what about those who fall in love with a mtf with not knowing about the past of that person what dose that make them ??

One part of a happy couple? (Assuming the love is requited.)

[transward (imported)]

I should know. My ex-gf got a lot of crap from

the lesbian community when she was dating me.

In my opinion that doesn't speak very well of that portion of the lesbian community, for giving one of their "own" so to speak a lot of crap . Guess that some of them need to step back

and take a long hard look at them selves and there ideas.

Both the trans and lesbian community have a similar division into two different groups. In the lesbian community it is a split between political lesbians and sexual lesbians; the political, tending to be older, coming to lesbianism from a background of theoretical feminism and rejection of men and the patriarchy. The sexual lesbian, tending younger, being so because they liked sleeping with women. I remember in the '80s, when my pot dealer, a beautiful lesbian performance artist, told of trying to organize a lesbian festival at a gay campground in the mountains near Seattle. As she told it, the "bar dykes' and the "political dykes' practically came to blows over whether to have a wet T-shirt contest. The "bar dykes" said, "Hey, there are no guys around and we like boobs. Lets party!" The "political dykes" said, "That's perpetuating the degradations of the patriarchy."

In trans folk the split is along similar lines. (I should note that I am using the term sexual to apply not just to sex, but to all the behaviors that change with a change of sexes, which of course includes sex itself) The political trans folk spend a lot of time setting up hierarchies of transness, who is really trans or really a woman. The sexual trans people tend just to get on with being a woman without spending too much time expounding theories. ( I think this division is a better fit than Blanchard's autogynophilia/ homosexual taxonomies.)

In my experience, a great deal of the friction between the gay and trans communities comes from the respective political types. For the most part bar dykes and sexual trans folk get along pretty well.

Transward

[punkypink (imported)]

But what about those who fall in love with a mtf with not knowing about the past of that person what dose that make them ??

For a man, assuming he's not into guys, straight. Since as far as he knows, he's falling in love with a woman.

For a woman, assuming she's not into gals, lesbian. Since as far as she knows, she's falling in love with a woman.

[punkypink (imported)]

Both the trans and lesbian community have a similar division into two different groups. In the lesbian community it is a split between political lesbians and sexual lesbians; the political, tending to be older, coming to lesbianism from a background of theoretical feminism and rejection of men and the patriarchy. The sexual lesbian, tending younger, being so because they liked sleeping with women. I remember in the '80s, when my pot dealer, a beautiful lesbian performance artist, told of trying to organize a lesbian festival at a gay campground in the mountains near Seattle. As she told it, the "bar dykes' and the "political dykes' practically came to blows over whether to have a wet T-shirt contest. The "bar dykes" said, "Hey, there are no guys around and we like boobs. Lets party!" The "political dykes" said, "That's perpetuating the degradations of the patriarchy."

In trans folk the split is along similar lines. (I should note that I am using the term sexual to apply not just to sex, but to all the behaviors that change with a change of sexes, which of course includes sex itself) The political trans folk spend a lot of time setting up hierarchies of transness, who is really trans or really a woman. The sexual trans people tend just to get on with being a woman without spending too much time expounding theories. ( I think this division is a better fit than Blanchard's autogynophilia/ homosexual taxonomies.)

In my experience, a great deal of the friction between the gay and trans communities comes from the respective political types. For the most part bar dykes and sexual trans folk get along pretty well.

Transward

Yes I think theres definately a split between sexual and political trans people.

Also would like to point out both political and sexual lesbians discriminate against me for different reasons. Lol. And sure,

bar dykes and sexual trans folk get along

well, as long as its purely platonic. Beyond that? I've lost faith in lesbians of all sorts to be honest.

[CharlieIn413 (imported)]

I was in the shower and had an odd thought. For those that date/marry individuals that are MtF or FtM, I was curious if these people are gay/lesbian that want to be with a member of the same sex, but don't want to "Come out of the closet" so they knowingly chose a relationship with a trans individual to give an appearance of a "normal" relationship. Just an odd thought

Kimi,

I've been a bisexual male for my whole adult life. Your thought about appearing to have a "normal" relationship with a female does fit with me if I ever did find a M2F lover---which I have not been able to find. I surely wish that I could.

I'm very much attracted to females and do not have any attraction for men, but I must confess that I most certainly DO have strong desires for the male genitalia. In some ways I even prefer the male genitalia.

So, being with a pre-op M2F trans would be excellent for me. And with the "right one," I'm sure that I'd see "her" and treat "her" as a female.

With that said, I have to add that I'd still want a genetic female in my life, too.

[punkypink (imported)]

Kimi,

I've been a bisexual male for my whole adult life. Your thought about appearing to have a "normal" relationship with a female does fit with me if I ever did find a M2F lover---which I have not been able to find. I surely wish that I could.

I'm very much attracted to females and do not have any attraction for men, but I must confess that I most certainly DO have strong desires for the male genitalia. In some ways I even prefer the male genitalia.

So, being with a pre-op M2F trans would be excellent for me. And with the "right one," I'm sure that I'd see "her" and treat "her" as a female.

With that said, I have to add that I'd still want a genetic female in my life, too.

If you would see and treat her as female, what's up with the ""? Trans women not good enough to deserve the proper pronouns without an added cavet? lol

We don't want people to pretend to see us as women you know, we want them to genuinely actually see us as women because they believe it is gender and not sex that maketh a person.

I hope you are the latter and not the former.

[CharlieIn413 (imported)]

If you would see and treat her as female, what's up with the ""? Trans women not good enough to deserve the proper pronouns without an added cavet? lol

We don't want people to pretend to see us as women you know, we want them to genuinely actually see us as women because they believe it is gender and not sex that maketh a person.

I hope you are the latter and not the former.

I do understand that some of the trans women "do" have a female brain, so they are basically females living in a male body.

What I was getting at is for those trans woman who still have and want to keep their male sex organs then they are special "girls" that I truly desire! There still "is" a part of them that remains male.

Mmmmm, the yummy parts! I love that!

BTW, if that photo is you, then you're a little baby-doll!

[punkypink (imported)]

I do understand that some of the trans women "do" have a female brain, so they are basically females living in a male body.

What I was getting at is for those trans woman who still have and want to keep their male sex organs then they are special "girls" that I truly desire! There still "is" a part of them that remains male.

Mmmmm, the yummy parts! I love that!

BTW, if that photo is you, then you're a little baby-doll!

Yea see.... its not some trans women who have a female brain. It's most, and it's not "do", it's do. That has been proven scientifically over 10 years ago when they did a MRI or CAT scan on a trans woman's brain (one who was not, and has never been on any hormones) and found that there was an actual, physically female structured brain inside a male body, and that this occured naturally. Since then, they have repeated such scans on thousands more and found that it is likely that MOST trans women have a female brain, without the inverted commas please.

As for keeping their parts, the only reason anyone who want to change them is IF they have body dysmorphia. Many trans women who already have no problems identifying as who they are without any psychological conflict at being unable to reconcile their gender-sex mismatch would not see a need to have any surgery done. Since what makes us who we are is our gender, and since we ought not to judge books by the cover, it really doesn't matter what's between the legs.

And if what's between the legs doesn't matter, I'm not sure I'd like to be "positively" discriminated against by being seen as special. I don't care for special. I only care for belonging to the spectrum of womanhood. Even after an operation, one's chromosomes are still XY, which means 100% of a trans woman remains physically male, male genitalia or not. Keeping their body as nature gave it to them does not make them part-men any more than a woman who has double masectomy for breast cancer becomes any less a woman.

Now I'd quite like you to stop calling us "girls" please. It will win you no favours. Certainly won you no favours with me.

[chemcast scot (imported)]

Dose itmatter if a woman was born as a woman orif she changed sex the thing is at the endof the day she is a woman maybea transfemale is unable to bear children but istill a woman