Is Planet X (Nibiru) returning in 2012? Discuss.

[Paolo]

Just something to stir up debate.

Plenty to read about it out there.

Start Googling!

[Riverwind (imported)]

OK I have goggled,

Now I liked this guys math, I am sure its right to the nth number so my question is this,

With the telescopes we have today why has it not been found? We should be able to see it, Hubble can see a billion galaxies but nobody has seen this planet that is coming this way in a year and a half. They know of the Neptune wobble so they should be able to use some of that math and figure about where it should be, I would think this would be on somebody's todo list but Nothing.

So I will keep an open mind, I will watch and wait for the polls to shift, the oceans to rise flooding to take place, Jesus to return and walk across the waves, the arc to appear out of nowhere with Noah and Moses leading the way, triple rainbows in both the east and western sky's at the same time, Buddha reclining and smelling the lotus flowers, and a Hawaiian surfer one Jon Joe Goldberg going for the big one.

OR,

maybe I will just sleep in that day and wait for the 6pm news then Celebrate the Yule as I do every year on Dec 21st, with family over, exchanging gifts, with a stuffed goose in the oven and a Yule log in the fireplace, Remembering the reason for Yule as we sit around the tree decorated with ornaments and lights with a star on the top celebrating the same as its been done for the last 3000 years.

One way or the other, it will be a great day.

River

[Paolo]

Presents? Stuffed goose? I'm there!

LOL

[jemagirl (imported)]

wikipedia Nibiru article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nibiru_collision)

The idea was first proposed in 1995 by Nancy Lieder, founder of the website ZetaTalk. Lieder describes herself as a contactee with the ability to receive messages from extra-terrestrials from the Zeta Reticuli star system through an implant in her brain. She states that she was chosen to warn mankind that the object would sweep through the inner Solar System in May 2003 (though that date was later abandoned) causing Earth to undergo a pole shift that would destroy most of humanity. The predicted collision has subsequently spread beyond Lieder's website and has been embraced by numerous internet doomsday groups, most of which link the event to the 2012 phenomenon. Although the name "Nibiru" is derived from the works of ancient astronaut writer Zecharia Sitchin and his interpretations of Babylonian and Sumerian mythology, Sitchin himself denies any connection between his work and various claims of a coming apocalypse.

So... where are we going to get enough running shoes and plastic bags for every person on earth?

[Riverwind (imported)]

wikipedia Nibiru article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nibiru_collision)

So... where are we going to get enough running shoes and plastic bags for every person on earth?

Wally World, they have everything and are everywhere

River

[A-1 (imported)]

Just something to stir up debate.

Plenty to read about it out there.

Start Googling!

Paolo, do you consider us here MASTERdebaters?

A-1 is complimented, he thinks... ...dammit, moi, see what you have done to me, now I am talking in the 3rd person...AGAIN!

...anyway, ON WITH THE SHOW...

An obscure Russian Psychiatrist, Immanuel Velikovsky, in the work "Worlds In Collision" published in 1950 proposed the collision formation theory by proposing a 'near miss' of Earth by Venus. (http://www.skepdic.com/velikov.html)

Velikovsky cites astronomical curiosities of Venus, along with old writings from various world cultures, including the Bible to support his theories. Science of the day was not accepting of these ideas and scientists were not very complementary in their dismissal of these ideas.

However, these ideas persisted as "conspiracy theories" seem to today and eventually as Geology matured and escaped from the grasp of the Creationist dogmas eventually Velikovsky's ideas emerged again. This time, however, they were not as he had justified them originally. In a completely different time frame the "Worlds in Collision" theory was re-visited as an explanation for first the Earth (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 111310.htm) and then the moon (http://csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr161/lect ... ation.html).

Immanuel Velikovsky wrote several books (http://www.knowledge.co.uk/velikovsky/earth.htm)on the subject, living to be an old man, and finally passing on in 1979 before science could pay him his due for these ideas.

Since Shoemaker-Levy collided with Jupiter (http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/sl9/), the Hubble Telescope has captured several astronomical collisions (http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubbl ... index.html) and although the RELIGIOUS NUTS still continue to fall out of the trees (http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/sl9/), science is catching up to a lot of creative thinking, regardless of how bizarre (http://www.wnd.com/images/asteroidstarofdavid1.jpg).

Regardless of how much money is made from pumping the public curiosity of pseudoscience in the media (http://www.astroengine.com/?p=305), the reality is based upon extinct cultures (http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=5343469n) that few know much about. Therefore, speculation abounds.

Whatever happens we cannot predict except in a past tense.

However, as Paolo observes, it IS a great opportunity to have a LOT of fun in the mean-time no matter what happens, which SMART MONEY dictates will be NOTHING, and so my friends, ....CARRY ON~!

[Dave (imported)]

There is no planet X or Niburi or Nibiri or Nuburorbibibibi or any doppelganger planet hid exactly 180 degrees behind the sun. Nor is there any strange long period comet that swooshes through the galaxy every 50 gazillion years to do bad things.

Why do I say that? Because 2 plus 2 will always equal 4.

Because Newton, Kepler and Einstein created the mathematic expressions for the orbits of planets and they have been proven correct many times.

But that doesn't mean you can't believe your local Witch Doctor or Voodoo Priestess or Shaiman reading entrails, tea leaves or bowel movements.

[A-1 (imported)]

There is no planet X or Niburi or Nibiri or Nuburorbibibibi or any doppelganger planet hid exactly 180 degrees behind the sun. Nor is there any strange long period comet that swooshes through the galaxy every 50 gazillion years to do bad things.

Why do I say that? Because 2 plus 2 will always equal 4.

Because Newton, Kepler and Einstein created the mathematic expressions for the orbits of planets and they have been proven correct many times.

But that doesn't mean you can't believe your local Witch Doctor or Voodoo Priestess or Shaiman reading entrails, tea leaves or bowel movements.

It does not mean that something cannot be coming at the speed of light and that it just has not yet arrived, either.

But the odds of that are slim. By the way, Einstein HATED probabilities and Newton never paid much attention to them.

So, most likely, Dave, you are correct.

It has to end there...

[xyz22ert (imported)]

Hi Dave and A-1,

You are both true!

The theories from Einstein and Newton are only THEORIES. In some parts of the university, they are not apply!

But of course, thats are insignificant exceptions.

And of course, there is no planet X. In the conspiracy theories, this planet is much more bigger, than the earth. Every amateur astronomer could see this big object. And meantime EVERYBODY could see planet X!!!

It is more than posiple, that the earth damaged by a asteroid, but not by a other planet or a comet.

...Thats my two cents...

[Riverwind (imported)]

DAVE, just what is wrong with reading tea leaves?????

I bet you feel the same way about crystal balls and Runes????

Actually I kind of like reading the runes myself.

Remember one mans religion is another mans belly laugh.

River