Troops: Skipping Christian concert got us punished

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Mac (imported) wrote: Mon Aug 23, 2010 5:23 am It may not be the situation today. However, This and my other statement regarding military basic training are based on my personal experience.

I didn't site religeon as a specific example as that issue never came up.

When I was in the Army, we would have obeyed such an order, and such an order may well have been given; but those were different times. Then...morning prayers - Christian prayers, of course - were still said over the PA system each day at my high school. They were also said before school sponsored athletic events.
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Thank you slammr.
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Thank you slammr.

Thanks or not, it was still wrong, even then.
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kristoff wrote: Mon Aug 23, 2010 11:51 am Thanks or not, it was still wrong, even then.

Yes, it was wrong, and I wasn't - in any way - excusing it.

I'm from a small East Texas town. We had a small Catholic church - I knew one kid that was Catholic - and we had one Jewish family, man, wife, and son - a couple years older than I.

The father was a doctor, which is probably why they were tolerated. Still, it was something whispered about, "They're Jews," like they were somehow tainted. Hell, the first time I heard it, overheard probably in a conversation between my grandmother and another lady, I had no idea what a Jew was. From the way they said it, I knew, however, it wasn't something I wanted to be.

Most people were either Baptists - the church to which I went - or Methodists. The Catholic kid was one of my best friends, but we all thought his church was weird.

Through high school, I went to church every Sunday - had no choice, my parents made me go, even though they never went. I didn't think anything about the school prayers, because I'd grown up in a society permeated by the Christian religion. I was probably a senior in high school before I began questioning the validity of the god of the Bible. I remember asking a friend, "Do you really believe in God?"

He said, "It's safer to believe in God." (or something to that effect).

Even then, I questioned whether that was a good reason to believe in God. I joined the Army after high school, and I seldom after went to church. By the time I was out of the Army, I no longer believed.

I remember several times, while I was in the Army, that we were either pressured to attend religious events - always Christian - or were led in prayers by someone in authority. This was a long time ago, before school prayers were outlawed.

That a commander today, would pressure his troops to attend a religious concert - why did they even allow a religious concert? - is wrong. He should be shown the nearest exit; it should be a career ending move.
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There is one good thing about these kinds of coerced religious events. Like vaccination, exposure to a dead form of the religious virus often provides lifetime immunity to the disease.

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OH....

Jesus, Joseph and Mary.... What is wrong with a little Prayer? I used to pray for girls in Junior High School... ALL OF THE TIME!

(...not for their souls, but instead for their BODIES... :boobies:.................:D)

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...by High School my prayers were answered. See? Who sez that God does not answer PRAYER?
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This kind of garbage has been going on for years and isn't anything new for me. When I was in basic training at Ft. Leonard Wood, Missouri back in 1996, and after being there for 7 weeks without once stepping foot off post, my training company was offered what was called a "free" day away.

The hitch?

We had to go to the local Southern Baptist Church in Lebanon, MO for a meal and a church service. We were NOT offered the option of sitting outside the sanctuary, we had to go into the service, we could not stay at the bowling alley up the street where they let us go for a couple hours.

The option if we didn't go?

Stay in the barracks and clean them. (sound familiar?)

Of course I went. Then I promptly got preached that god didn't create Adam and Steve, that gays are going to hell, and they even did me the convenient favor of letting me take Jesus as my lord and savior and being born again.

No thanks... I was born right the first time. I simply ignored the message to get a few hours away from the constant screaming of the drill sergeants.

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Things are different today, my son was in basic and said that they had a choice as to which service they went to or none in my sons case, they even had stuff for the Pagans. Change comes hard, it does take people standing up to this kind of shit and saying NO. It takes the news spreading the word and people getting pissed for the message to go out, the message is you cant force your religion on another.

This goes for not only the military, but prayers in public schools, putting up crosses and other religious symbols in public places. Its offensive to anybody and everybody who is not of that religion. Christians are the worst as they feel its there god given right to push there religion on everybody.

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