Theory of Homosexuality

[sensenbender (imported)]

I’ve been reading a book called ‘Sex and Reason’ by Richard Posner. He’s a judge of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit (Chicago) and he has been struggling with the lack of a rational basis for decisions by Judges, juries, legislators, and so forth pertaining to sex crimes and sex laws or regulations. He decided to try to fill the void by researching and writing this book so as to provide others in the legal profession with some scholarly basis for their deliberations and their decisions.

A lot of his research is the area of evolutionary biology, which is the study of ways that our biology and that of other species has been influenced by evolution, i.e. by the demands of survival during changing conditions in the environment.

He points out in his discussion of homosexuality that the male of most species including homo sapiens (i.e. ‘us’) is more fertile than the female of the species. That is, the male is ready to mate far more frequently or continually than the female. Once the female is pregnant, she has little reason to mate again with anyone for nine months to a year later, being busy as she is first growing her fetus to term and then keeping her new infant alive. The male, on the other hand, continues to have the desire, even the ‘need’ to mate almost immediately after he has impregnated his female partner. So what does he do?

He could mate with another female, which is exactly the strategy of eastern cultures (East Indian and Arabic cultures), which allow men who can afford them to keep large harems and/or concubines and mistresses, and also, interestingly, prohibit homosexuality more fiercely than western cultures do. But what does a guy do in our monogamous culture? Well, the wife (the female mate) can be magnanimous and give her husband access to her body for sex for the first few months until it becomes uncomfortable. And she can give him hand jobs and blow jobs after that, but he could give himself those – hand jobs anyway.

Or he could seek other partners while she’s pregnant. He could keep one or more mistresses on the side, as many Frenchmen do, who are more or less obligated not to get pregnant, or he could seek the services of prostitutes. But our mores are not too accepting of those solutions. The churches, particularly the Catholic Church, frowns on all forms of sex not intended for procreation, including homosexuality.

But here we are, nevertheless, at my theory of homosexuality. Churches and religions aside, I believe that homosexuality fills the void in the male reproductive cycle that results from the male’s greater fecundity vis-à-vis the female. This doesn’t account for lesbianism, of course, which has more to do with gender dysphoria than male homosexuality does. But ‘normal’, run of the mill, guy on guy sex I believe to be accounted for in evolutionary terms by the importance of males having non-procreative outlets for sex beyond masturbation. They need those outlets in their youth before they are ready to mate for reproductive purposes, and they need them after they have mated with their wives or other reproductive partners during the fallow time when the latter is essentially unavailable, or inappropriate, for the fulfillment of his mating urges.

Sex between males is much more appropriate in evolutionary terms than male sex with females if the purpose is merely to ‘buy time’ as it were, until the next opportunity to mate with a non-pregnant female. Unless we are to have ‘alpha males’ - guys who get to mate for reproductive purposes as often as they want or desire to, thereby cornering the market on all the available females and leaving all the ‘beta’ and lesser males ‘out in the cold’ reproductively - then all the non-alpha’s will have to just mate with each other to fill the gap. Even the Alphas themselves would need to do this if and when they run out of un-pregnant females in their less than infinite harems.

So that’s it – Sensenbender’s Theory of Homosexuality’. What do y’all think?

[kristoff]

So that’s it – Sensenbender’s Theory of Homosexuality’. What do y’all think?

Not much. Pandering to the procreationists and religionists. I fuck men because I dig men. Has nothing to do with women or making children or the unavailability of pussy.

[transward (imported)]

The best evolutionary explanation for homosexuality I have seen begins with the observation that sexuality in mammals is an odd mix of affection, passion, agression, submission and gender. The dominance battles of most male mammals, (Think bighorn sheep, deer, elk, gorillas, horses, dogs, etc) do not end with one killing the other, but with the defeated male assuming a submissive posture. In baboons the victorious male will mount the defeated. Thus the ability to swing both ways can be a big advantage in keeping yourself alive long enough to pass along your genes. Absent a gene for submission, young males, under the effect of rampaging testosterone, would likely get killed long before they got big and strong enough to win dominance battle with alpha males. Also on entering puberty males in many pack species get kicked out of the group by the dominant males to spend time as rogue males. There is a technical term for a solitary primate in the jungle. That term is lunch. In such a situation the ability to bond with another male in the same situation vastly increases the likelihood that both will survive long enough to pass on their genes.

And like any gene it's distribution among the population would follow normal distribution with a few getting none, most getting some and a few getting a lot. For a submission gene, too little would get you killed in dominance battles, some would give you an evolutionary advantage by swinging both ways as circumstances dictated, and too much would make you too submissive to pass along your genes when the opportunity arose.

Transward

[loveableleopardy (imported)]

When people speak about the evolution of homosexuality, are they indicating that the percentage of homosexual humans is on the rise?

I would think that the more gay males we have in society the less violence and greater peace we are likely to have. It would make some sense to evolve to have a greater number of homosexual males for the longterm sustainability of our species.

Yes, males generally have a greater sex drive than females, but I don't think that homosexuality has come about due to non alpha males being sexually frustrated and then mating amongst themselves......there would be far more gay men if this was the case! Besides, the greatest need to have satisfied firstly is companionship.

I think that there might be a 'purpose' in homosexuality to put some sort of a restriction on the increase in population, but in many areas of the world (coincidently much of which is highly against homosexuality) we have an escalating population problem anyway.

We have a major advantage over animals in that we can masturbate. Imagine how many more problems we would have if we couldn't do so?

[gareth19 (imported)]

Sex between males is much more appropriate in evolutionary terms than male sex with females. Even the Alphas themselves would need to do this if and when they run out of un-pregnant females in their less than infinite harems.

So that’s it – Sensenbender’s Theory of Homosexuality’. What do y’all think?

The sense is bent. There are many erroneous assumptions and claims.

He points out in his discussion of homosexuality that the male of most species including is more fertile than the female of the species.

Because males produce more gametes than females doesn't make them more fertile; it is just a different reproductive strategy.

Once the female is pregnant, she has little reason to mate again with anyone for nine months to a year later, being busy as she is first growing her fetus to term and then keeping her new infant alive.

People don;t have sex because of reasons, they have sex because of emotions; and the good judge has obviously never met a horny pregnant woman, but they are out there.

He could mate with another female, which is exactly the strategy of eastern cultures (East Indian and Arabic cultures), which allow men who can afford them to keep large harems

Islam and the Koran specifically limit the number of wives to four, just four; you are not thinking of Islamic cultures, you are thinking of Brigham Young!

and also, interestingly, prohibit homosexuality more fiercely than western c

ountries The puritanical objections to homosexuality in Islam are a nineteenth-century development; there is a long history of gay Islamic eroticism; Omar Kayam's love poems "A loaf of bread, a jug of wine and thou" are addressed to a male lover, and in addition to the virgins, the Prophet promises the faithful in the next life beautiful boys as well.

homosexuality fills the void in the male reproductive cycle that results from the male’s greater fecundity

If that were so every guy with time on his hands would be chasing other guys, but Elton John, David Dreier, Rupert Everett, and Rufus Wainwright had plenty of opportunities to get pussy and don't want it, and no matter how hot Jesse Spenser is, most guys don't dream of sleeping with him.

In point of fact, there appears to be a correlation between being gay and having older brothers. Let's imagine Tom, Dick, and Harry, three straight brothers from clan Strait and Dean, Abel, and Seth of whom only Dean is straight from clan Quir. You might imagine that the Strait clan will outbreed the Quirs in no time and that Dean is really outmatched by Tom, Dick, and Harry, but consider that it is simply not enough to lust after Lucie because to marry her, a young man must accumulate 900 pazoozies. Now each working male has the ability to save 100 pazoozies per annum. That means that Tom, Dick, and Harry each must wait 9 years before courting Lucie, but Dean's brothers are not his competitors. Abel and Seth have no interest in Lucie, but they still have economic productivity that can be coopted by Dean. That means after three years, Tom, Dick, and Harry are only one third of the way to a bride price, while Dean has his 300 pazoozies and can call on his brothers' 600 pazoozies. That means that Dean starts balling Lucie six years before Tom Dick or Harry can get their cocks in action, so by leaving a hormonal trace in his mother's womb that converts his brothers to fags, Dean gets the reproductive jump on the hopelessly straight competition.

That is an evolutionarily plausible explanation for gayness.

[HairyHarry (imported)]

Question from a Brit.

What are "pazoozies"?

[Issinoho (imported)]

That has got to be the most ham-fisted, poorly written, poorly reasoned piece of shit I have ever read. Did he really write that or is he just publishing it on behalf of his 1st year psychology student son/daughter?

[nullorchis (imported)]

That has got to be the most ham-fisted, poorly written, poorly reasoned piece of shit I have ever read. Did he really write that or is he just publishing it on behalf of his 1st year psychology student son/daughter?

Why don't you tell us what you really think? I would prefer to see opinions expressed without using crappy words.

From my perspective homosexuality is part of nature's grand design to provide for as much diversity as possible, part of nature's grand experimentation with all living things.

Being homosexual does not mean you can not contribute to the world's overpopulation. Men and women homosexuals are known to populate, naturally or through new science. Even being a male eunuch does not mean you can not populate for such a person may have stored their sperm in a sperm bank and it could be used through new science.

Being a female who has ovaries removed permanently eliminates her ability to germinate a new human, but in such a person is it possible for artificial insemination to work???. I am not sure what biological procedure is necessary to make it absolutely impossible for a woman to give birth.

While homosexuals can mathematically be observed to have a lower number of offspring per person (or couple) homosexuality in and of itself is not a precursor to eliminating overpopulation (unless perhaps a large enough segment of the population becomes homosexual )

[raymar2020 (imported)]

The original post is just about the most ridiculous piece of fiction that I ever read. Where did this guy get the data to support his "theory"?

While great debate rages on about nature vs nurture in the case of homosexuality, those of us who are gay know full well, that it is a naturaly occuring variation of the species.

Homosexuality is in my opinion, and that of many others a variant , much like red hair or green eyes. There may be some biolgical truth to cases of homosexuality in fetuses carried second or third, but I don't think that even that is totally valid.

In virtually all species there is a small element of homosexuality, both male/male, and female / female, its not a huge percentage, but it exists. In humans, we have free will, which most other species do not, and as such make a determination about our sexual path. Today vast numbers of people identify as bi-sexual, and act on it. They maintain breeding relationships, but also have male sexual partners , or female sexual partners.

Just 50 years ago, many were driven to hide their true sexuality due to the pressures of a Victorian mind set in society. Fear of discrimination, isolation, and physical harm kept many homosexuals in straight relationships. Times have changed , and many nations of the world have now enacted laws to protect and nurture same sex relationships.

In my own case, I do not ever remember being attracted to females in any way other than to admire their beauty. Even as a small boy when sitting on the beach, it was the well formed males that attracted me to watch them, long before I was aware of sexuality. As I grew , and matured I found that sexual arousal for me was caused by males not females, and when I sought partners it was males that I sought. At first I was sure that I must be the only one, but soon found out that there were many such people out there.

It has been my observation that homosexual males tend to be more intelligent, artistic, and gentle than their "straight" counterparts, and while they have been maligned for their " overactive" sexual appetites, that is actually a function of the society that drove their quests for partners into an underground world of bars and bathhouses. Most of my friends are gay, and many of them have been in stable monogamous relationships for 10-20 years.

Reaching a point where society accepts the homosexual as a normal everyday part of the human experience is still a long way away , thanks to overly conservative religious groups, and zealots who likely are burying their own sexuality in a cloud of rhetoric.

Personally, I am at this point in my life out to everyone that I know, and proudly so, The roots of my own sexuality coming from the womb with me. My mother did not cause it, my Father did not cause it, and I was certainly not pressured into a sexual way of life that I did not desire by any others. I am the first born, and have a straight younger brother, who would not EVER consider a homosexual experience.

Its high time that the world as a whole recognize that homosexuals exist in nature, and accept that we are a viable segment of the population, and deserve equality,in all ways.

Raymar

[Sweetpickle (imported)]

My explanation is

LUST

I think that's the underlying cause