Todd Bertrang?

[graylayer02 (imported)]

And some of you continue to trust the federal government with more power.

[Paolo]

As for Todd, he was his worst enemy, you can't do what he was doing then advertise it all over the internet complete with pictures. I am not sure framed is the right word, but when you dare them to come after you they will and did. It cost him everything including his freedom but the only person that can be blamed is TODD.

River

Well put, River.

It's not as if what he was offering was as commonplace as tattooing and body piercing, which is LEGAL. (To a certain extent, and in most areas.)

[A-1 (imported)]

And some of you continue to trust the federal government with more power.

I'd MUCH rather trust the GOVERNMENT than somebody who would talk an adolescent or young adult female into letting them cut away their sexually sensitive regions, maiming them for life, calling them a 'slave' and using them as an 'example' of a 'desirable' mate in an attempt to influence others that they would be happier in that condition.

If somebody wants to be modified they should NOT be proselytized into such an altered state. They have plenty of time, they have the rest of their lives. Nobody should have the right or be given the right to do that to another human being in the name of LOVE or anything else.

I am glad that the pictures of Robyn are no longer easily available on the Internet. I considered them not only to be humiliating to her but to be a tragedy. Young people who might have a tendency to be easily influenced or depressed enough to do such a thing to themselves will find out soon enough that the scars attained early will be with them and follow them the rest of their lives.

Young girls have ruined themselves with simple "sexting". How might this effect that group if it became an "in" thing for young people to do to themselves or to another human?

Likewise people commit suicide. We don't need a Jim Jones-type to influence people to do this to themselves. Enough of them will decide to do this without being talked into it. Call it "terrorism without a cause".

Do you understand my feelings?

[Riverwind (imported)]

And some of you continue to trust the federal government with more power.

In this case you bet your sweet.............. I do.

I chatted with Todd many times on the BME chat years ago, I questioned him being so public about some of the things he was doing, his comment was catch me if you can. He was breaking the law, then rubbing it in the face of the government saying I am so good you can't stop me, well they did.

There are underground cutters in this country, most will only contact you through third parties, via encrypted email, then it might take over a year before they will finally let you in, Todd advertised everywhere he could, openly. Todd is many things, one of them is stupid, but now he knows better.

Don't even blame the government on this one, Todd was wrong, he got 5 years for it, end of story.

River

[graylayer02 (imported)]

I agree that he probably had it coming when it came to practicing medicine without a license and maybe the firearms thing; he made a particular comment once about wanting to castrate someone that gave me the willies; and he was something of a physical danger for that exact reason...the same way that lots of other cutters are. But then why make up charges about agreeing to mutilate kids? Why make up child porn charges? The feds wanted to destroy him, not merely punish him, because they didn't like his attitude. The best way to do that is to make everything 'about the children' rather than 'about some creepy adults'.

[Riverwind (imported)]

Al Capon went up for tax evasion, sometimes you take someone down the best way you can, the point is to get them off the street.

River

[A-1 (imported)]

Al Capon went up for tax evasion, sometimes you take someone down the best way you can, the point is to get them off the street.

River

River,

I might add that legal and moral are two entirely different things. Morality may be separated from religion.

You cannot violate other humans continuously without consequences. Legal or not, right is right and wrong is wrong.

Read the founding fathers documents of America + amendments. They explain the concept quite nicely.

[ToddBertrang (imported)]

I am alive, I am well. I am amazed at how many have said they know about me when they know nothing. No, I do not know where robyn is. But I did see her pass close to me a year or so ago in the Long Beach California area. We did not talk. talking to ones co-defendant is a violation of probation. I am off probation. I was never given a discovery, never allowed to read my plea bargain before I signed it. Additionally, the law they used was proven unconsitutional 11 years prior to their using it for a search warrant. robyn and I have 6 constitutional violations and two different appellant courts have called this frivolous in their rulings. IE< constitutional violations in my case do not matter. The reason above all that I went to prison is various Todd haters from BME kept e-mailing the FBI and told them that I had circumcised one of them and their 10 year old cousin. The FBI knew this was a lie and still went after me, because they could make a case, regardless how many laws they broke to do so. They all got their names in the paper. robyn and I went to prison. No, I no longer do mods on people, no I am no longer into the whole piercing body mod scene. and no I do not wish to be contacted.

[MacTheWolf (imported)]

Well, Todd, I'm glad you finally got out of prison. Robyn was with her parents in Arizona.

[speedvogel (imported)]

Todd, I am glad you are out and are living a quiet life. Be careful out there; there are still a lot of people who think you are the devil incarnate. I know better and I still respect most of your work in the mod community.

Take care,

Speed