Estrogen

[mrt (imported)]

My sisterinlaw is a male to female transexual and has had the surgery. she was not very sexual durring transition at first but once she had her hormones balanced right she turned out to be just fine in her words. she does however have to take testosterone in a low dose. I dont know how much but she said her doctor said she needed some for bone density and health reasons as well as sexuality. all people male and female have some testosterone in them.

Thats Excellent! I think compounding pharmacies are great because they can make up a custom mix of Estrogen, Testosterone, Progesterone made for the person (Even DHEA)

[EricaAnn (imported)]

I think I'm qualified to contribute something to this thread.

I've been on estrogen for well over 4 years now. First on orals taking a dosage of 8 mg.'s a day, but when my endo could not get my estrogen levels up to where he wanted them, he switched me over to injectables a little over 2 years ago. I now take 0.3 cc's of estrodiol weekly. My current hormone levels are 422 for estrogen and 33 for testosterone.

I'm also post operative so the testosterone that's in my system is being produced by my adrenal glands. BTW, normal female levels for testosterone are between 20 and 70.

As far as my sex drive, I haven't really noticed much change in this area. This probably comes from the fact that I am and have always been a transgendered woman and never had what could be considered a normal male sex drive.

When I first started hormone therapy I could still achieve an erection as well as orgasm, but that soon faded away after castration and as the estrogen began to take hold of me. It finally got to the point that for at least 8 months prior to my surgery, my "boy parts" were only good for peeing, nothing else.

It wasn't long after I began hormone therapy, which at first consisted of 200 mg.'s of spiro and 8 mg.'s of estrogen, I could feel some very definite changes come over me. No more aggression, greatly reduced mood swings, felt more compassion and no more anger. My spouse began to pick up on the changes in me within 10 days of starting and these were just the mental effects. The physical effects began after about 6 weeks.

Dr Bowers (A M2F TS person) said that many TS women never end up being sexual active. This puzzled me as my female wife is not indifferent to sex at all. And in fact almost all the women I've known are "pro" sex. The issue may well be that most M2F people do not try to balance all their hormones for natural female levels. The missing component is Testosterone in small amounts. Since they all had to go through great efforts to have their testosterone levels shut down it probably seems insane to start taking it but.... I think to experience a more accurate female life you need all the hormones in the normal female levels.

MrT

Mr. T, I believe what Dr. Bowers is talking about when she mentioned being sexual active comes from the fact that being a transgendered woman somehow turns a lot of straight men off about us, no matter how we look or act. It takes a special kind or man to see and appreciate the woman we really are and most guys just don't seem to be that way. I think it's the testosterone thing. Most "tranny chasers" aren't interested in us either because they're looking for that "girl with a stick", which being post op, I can't provide for them. So it kind of leaves most of us in a state of limbo or somewhere in between the norms of society's definition of male or female.

[sweetie26 (imported)]

Hi billie_tv

well I am not taking estrogen but i am on my CBT

and I am also getting the same results as u mention above.

My breasts are tender , I become more docile and submissive , my morning erection is very rare , libido is decreased now , I have no sex partner but i dont need to masterbate too often now.

[jacklyn1 (imported)]

this is for erica an

Is it the spiro that decreases erections or the estrogen or a combination of the two? when you say the castration made your male parts useless are you saying erections were impossible all together even with manual stimulation?

was the 200 mg of spiro enough to make a cosiderable difference. i think I am were I want ot be right now. I cant totaly transition at this point in my life. I have like an eight year gap before I can reallypersue and major changes. I just want some of the feminine characteristics. some breast developement and softening of the skin, less body hair and my sex drive to slow the hell down. I have been on 4 mg for a couple weeks now and 2mg before that since dec 29th. spiro was at 100 mg and just increased to 200mg when I increased the estradiol. I have noticed morning and spontanious erections are totally gone and my breasts seam to be starting to develope just a little(not noticeable to anyone but me) Was it difficult to find a doctor to do the castration or did you have ot go to another country? was it done before srs or at the same time?

Thanks alot

jacklyn

[EricaAnn (imported)]

this is for erica an

Is it the spiro that decreases erections or the estrogen or a combination of the two? when you say the castration made your male parts useless are you saying erections were impossible all together even with manual stimulation?

was the 200 mg of spiro enough to make a cosiderable difference. i think I am were I want ot be right now. I cant totaly transition at this point in my life. I have like an eight year gap before I can reallypersue and major changes. I just want some of the feminine characteristics. some breast developement and softening of the skin, less body hair and my sex drive to slow the hell down. I have been on 4 mg for a couple weeks now and 2mg before that since dec 29th. spiro was at 100 mg and just increased to 200mg when I increased the estradiol. I have noticed morning and spontanious erections are totally gone and my breasts seam to be starting to develope just a little(not noticeable to anyone but me) Was it difficult to find a doctor to do the castration or did you have ot go to another country? was it done before srs or at the same time?

Thanks alot

jacklyn

Hi Jacklyn,

At first the sprio plays a role in the decreased erections because of the drop in testosterone though I was still able to achieve them at first. It is a combination of the two that really does make your "boy parts" not function but it takes a longer period of time for the estrogen to have its effects.

After castration it was not possible to achieve an erection regardless of any type of stimulation, but keep in mind that by the time I was castrated I was already on estrogen for 6 months.

Your dosage of estrogen is not what matters, but rather the actual estrogen levels in your blood that counts. Each one of us metabolizes estrogen at a different rate. Based on my metabolism even on a dosage of 8 mg.'s a day my estrogen level did not go beyond 85 which was not sufficient to develop proper feminization. That's why my doctor switched me over to the injectable form of estrogen and then adjusted with my weekly dosage until he got me between 400-450, which is where he wants his transgendered girls to be. You will get minor breast development and softer skin as the subdermal fat layer develops, but you won't know for sure how far that will go without knowing the actual level of estrogen in your blood.

My castration was performed by Dr. Kimmel out of Philadelphia, PA. Dr. Kimmel is no longer practicing medicine and is retired. I had my castration procedure performed about 2 1/2 years before my GRS procedure.

I hope this helps.

[bobweekend (imported)]

The other end of the spectrum. I am a neutered male, I love my T, happiest when it is close to 1k . I monitor my estrogen regularly and I use DIM to keep it in range. For me both low E and high E have similar effects. Mainly impacting erections and desire. The test I get done the acceptable range is between 35-75. I am at my best if I am close to 50.

For me E is a necessary evil. If I over do my DIM I feel bad, if I skip DIM I feel bad.

The trick for me at least is to have a balance. Fairly high T and mid range E.

For T I do .75cc IM injections of 200mg/ml T Cyp.

Bob

[jacklyn1 (imported)]

hi bob,

I'm not quite following you. do you keep you estrogen between 50 and 75 or you testosterone between 50 or 75? My t is at 280 or was 3 weeks ago when i was on 100 mg spiro and 2 mg estradiol. now I am on 200mg spiro and 4 mg estradiol. hopefully my testosterone will come down. doc said she wants to get it to around 50.

jacklyn

[jacklyn1 (imported)]

thanks so much erica.

Yeah it sounds like dr. kimmel was the guy ot see. I wish he was still around. however my theropist told me that alot of her patients who want hormones but dont ever want to be completely transformed are at risk of health conditions after years of hormones. If they dont want ot transition she will eventually recoment an orchy so the estrogen and anti androgens can be stopped or way reduced. thank god she is around yet.

jacklyn

[mrt (imported)]

I think I'm qualified to contribute something to this thread.

I've been on estrogen for well over 4 years now. First on orals taking a dosage of 8 mg.'s a day, but when my endo could not get my estrogen levels up to where he wanted them, he switched me over to injectables a little over 2 years ago. I now take 0.3 cc's of estrodiol weekly. My current hormone levels are 422 for estrogen and 33 for testosterone.

I'm also post operative so the testosterone that's in my system is being produced by my adrenal glands. BTW, normal female levels for testosterone are between 20 and 70.

As far as my sex drive, I haven't really noticed much change in this area. This probably comes from the fact that I am and have always been a transgendered woman and never had what could be considered a normal male sex drive.

When I first started hormone therapy I could still achieve an erection as well as orgasm, but that soon faded away after castration and as the estrogen began to take hold of me. It finally got to the point that for at least 8 months prior to my surgery, my "boy parts" were only good for peeing, nothing else.

It wasn't long after I began hormone therapy, which at first consisted of 200 mg.'s of spiro and 8 mg.'s of estrogen, I could feel some very definite changes come over me. No more aggression, greatly reduced mood swings, felt more compassion and no more anger. My spouse began to pick up on the changes in me within 10 days of starting and these were just the mental effects. The physical effects began after about 6 weeks.

Mr. T, I believe what Dr. Bowers is talking about when she mentioned being sexual active comes from the fact that being a transgendered woman somehow turns a lot of straight men off about us, no matter how we look or act. It takes a special kind or man to see and appreciate the woman we really are and most guys just don't seem to be that way. I think it's the testosterone thing. Most "tranny chasers" aren't interested in us either because they're looking for that "girl with a stick", which being post op, I can't provide for them. So it kind of leaves most of us in a state of limbo or somewhere in between the norms of society's definition of male or female.

If that true I think its sad. I guess some men can't get over the fact that someone once had the same "bits" as they did? Anyway, I think your fortunate to have adrenals that put out enough Testosterone to keep your drive working. The mix is (I think) important. Mrs T is on a compounded mix of hormones and without enough testosterone (Which she takes an extra boost once a week) her sex drive is just ZIP Zero Nada.

[jacklyn1 (imported)]

my wifes is the same way. no sex drive. never had one except when we met 25 years ago