I Wonder

[A-1 (imported)]

I wonder

Were those responsible on drugs or alcohol?

I am not a pilot and I do not play a pilot of TV,

BUT, even I know one does not nose up in a stall.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110527/ts_ ... azil_crash

"PARIS (Reuters) – A French airliner plunged out of control for four minutes before crashing into the Atlantic in 2009, investigators said, in a report raising questions about how crew handled a "stall alarm" blaring out in the cabin. . . .

France's BEA crash investigation agency said in a detailed chronology of the crash that commands from the controls of the 32-year-old junior pilot on board had pulled the nose up as the aircraft became unstable and generated an audible stall warning."

In health care, mishaps are most often violations of the ABC's and not missing a rare event. Dr. Atkins of diet fame for example had an IV going with no daily weights or urine outputs recorded while he was in a coma. His death weight was excessive because "they" loaded him up with excessive fluids in violation of basic, ABC's. Probable cause of death.

I would really hate to believe violation of the ABC's account for any airline mishap. Junior Pilot = ? co-pilot ? nose up in a stall?

Moi

I have not flown in decades nor will I.

moi...

THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED

... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=

jBizgLZX7W0)

Do you ever wonder if Osama is not the only thing hiding in the ocean?

[Uncle Flo (imported)]

Did you read the linked article or another current article? Hhhmmm?

The ice build up and instrument confusion caused the auto pilot to be turned off and manual control of the plane assumed by the "junior pilot".

As I read the article "stall" warnings were going off as called for a nose down attitude. Instead the "junior pilot" directed the nose upward. <wrong>

Please read a current article or the link and let me know if I am having a dyslexia attack.



Oh and where was the senior pilot, the pilot pilot and not the co pilot or junior pilot when the auto pilot became non functioning and later stall alarms going off?

Seriously, let me know if I am not reading the article 'right', please. If pilot error it was an ABC type and not a rare event type error. Even I know a stall calls for a nose down, stick forward correction.

Moi

On this long range flight there were three fully qualified pilots on board.The senior pilot was resting when the emergency occurred but he was called back to the cockpit. The senior pilot was too late to even sit at one of the control stations and so he gave orders while standing behind one of the other pilots. The speculation that I have heard is that the pilot brought the nose up in response to an alarm that indicated the airplane was too low. --FLO--

[moi621 (imported)]

I wonder

if they will tell us the truth, anyways.

The system of secrecy gets so ingrained as to practice lying when there really is no need.

Example, the Space Shuttle Challenger Disaster. NASA has an investment for some reason as to state the astronauts all perished at the time of the explosion. Yet valves were turned as to indicate survival beyond the explosion. For one or some.

So at best we can second guess the fiction the authorities will release on this plane disaster as further information is more pablumized for release.

Moi

[A-1 (imported)]

On this long range flight there were three fully qualified pilots on board.The senior pilot was resting when the emergency occurred but he was called back to the cockpit. The senior pilot was too late to even sit at one of the control stations and so he gave orders while standing behind one of the other pilots. The speculation that I have heard is that the pilot brought the nose up in response to an alarm that indicated the airplane was too low. --FLO--

Of course it was too low. Otherwise the SHARK would not have eaten it...

[moi621 (imported)]

I wonder

is personal responsibility an archaic

if not an anachronistic quality in the 21st Century?

So much easier to "go with the flow".

Moi

[foxytaur (imported)]

It's worth noticing that various standard safety and maintenance procedures were dismissed to cut costs.

A big mistake that cost NASA dearly.All bc of a piece of Carbon fibre-reinforced carbon panel detached from shuttle while undergoing extremely high temps under very high atmospheric pressures.

A lesson learned.Don't penny pinch when jeopardizing peoples lives.

[Arab Nights (imported)]

Did you read the linked article or another current article? Hhhmmm?

As I read the article "stall" warnings were going off as called for a nose down attitude. Instead the "junior pilot" directed the nose upward. <wrong>

A stall is a simple thing when you are in the day, have visual reference to the horizon and, in smaller aircraft at least, have sounds that tell you if you are going too fast or slow.

One of the last things your instructor will do is take you up on a moonless night. As in, You think you are getting pretty good, but you aren't and I am going to show you what it is like to be in the air when it is pitch black. Know your limits.

I cannot even imagine being at 40,000 feet at night in a thunderstorm with all the fancy technology in the shitter.

It is easy to criticize those guys about the stall horn. I remember at some point my instructor got the aircraft into some orientation and I was to react. Afterwards he asked if I had even heard the stall warning horn. I was so nervous that I had not. If you read about the human reaction to the beginnings of panic, you will see that it is like your sight narrows to a cone. You are not aware of what happens outside of that narrow cone. Cop training teaches them to force themselves to expand the zone of awareness during confrontation so they have better control of the situation. Those guys could have used the same lesson, which I am not sure they got during training. In a deep stall, four minutes is a terribly short time to sort out all the red lights and alarms when your consciousness is narrowed to a cone. Then you are dead.

[Dave (imported)]

John Kennedy Junior flew into a cloud bank and lost control of his plane.

It's the lack of horizon that is so confounding and it is a well know phenomena in private aircraft.

[moi621 (imported)]

John Kennedy Junior flew into a cloud bank and lost control of his plane.

It's the lack of horizon that is so confounding and it is a well know phenomena in private aircraft.

I wonder

was it just a cover-up of his abduction by a UFO.

Like the substitute body in his father's coffin, cover up.

Moi

[Riverwind (imported)]

Moi, go back the cat thread.

River