I Wonder

[KittenAB (imported)]

I wonder

Is Florida the most phallic State in the U.S.A.?

Moi

Oddly, that makes sense, because California looks like it's taking a poop.

[A-1 (imported)]

So,

...does this mean that you are ALL WONDER-full?

...I may buy it off of the political board...

[Dave (imported)]

So,

...does this mean that you are ALL WONDER-full?

...I may buy it off of the political board...

He's the best thing since white, sliced bread...

[moi621 (imported)]

I wonder

Were those responsible on drugs or alcohol?

I am not a pilot and I do not play a pilot of TV,

BUT, even I know one does not nose up in a stall.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110527/ts_ ... azil_crash

"PARIS (Reuters) – A French airliner plunged out of control for four minutes before crashing into the Atlantic in 2009, investigators said, in a report raising questions about how crew handled a "stall alarm" blaring out in the cabin. . . .

France's BEA crash investigation agency said in a detailed chronology of the crash that commands from the controls of the 32-year-old junior pilot on board had pulled the nose up as the aircraft became unstable and generated an audible stall warning."

In health care, mishaps are most often violations of the ABC's and not missing a rare event. Dr. Atkins of diet fame for example had an IV going with no daily weights or urine outputs recorded while he was in a coma. His death weight was excessive because "they" loaded him up with excessive fluids in violation of basic, ABC's. Probable cause of death.

I would really hate to believe violation of the ABC's account for any airline mishap. Junior Pilot = ? co-pilot ? nose up in a stall?

Moi

I have not flown in decades nor will I.

[Dave (imported)]

I've flown on airlines after I had colleagues die in a crash. You simply put the crash out of your mind and get on the plane. I know of what I speak.

And I'm a white knuckle flyer. Everyone near me on the plane can see it and they never make comments or ask why.

[Riverwind (imported)]

Moi, a few months back there was a show on this crash, they took what they knew and tried to recreate it, it included weather, they (the experts including pilots) came to the conclusion that the pitot tube iced up. There are three on this plane but what happened, it they froze giving the pilots a false reading, then a whole bunch of happened at once, with bells and horns going off and error messages by the ton the pilots in the plan were unable to see the real problem until it was to late.

They found the black box which should give more information or validate the information they already know.

When in a plane today the pilot has hundreds of gauges if an error comes up, they have a book that tells them what to do, this is what the co-pilot would have been doing, now think 100 errors coming up, which one do you do first? Now think 1000 problems, you only have seconds to make a decision, what do you do, horns are going off, red lights are flashing, what do you do?

You see the experts who figured this out took months, these guys had seconds. They found parts of this plane and from those parts they know how it hit the water, they know by there last transmission what was said, but what you maybe did not know that there is a point over the Atlantic where you leave Air Traffic Control. You are then on your own, if ATC was watching they could have helped but they were out of range. So here you are, no communications, systems failing all over, red lights going off, horns blowing, seconds to make the RIGHT decision. Which in this case would have been to ignore the lights and horns and watch your horizon and get through the storm that was in front of you. It would be like a heart surgeon half way through a heart transplant and finding that the heart you just removed and set aside is still pumping and the one you were going to put in is dead. What do you do?

Pilot error, most likely. Will this be part of a new type of training for all pilots? you bet, but the fault was ice buildup in the pitot tube, something they did not think could happen.

River

[moi621 (imported)]

I use to fly and use to love it.

Then I noticed I just felt "ill" for a couple of days after a flight. After concluding "I will not fly", I have not missed it. Years later came all the security, passenger herding and stories as make flying sound less of a pleasing experience.

Do the airlines really save that much by being discourteous?

And then there are those epidemiology studies demonstrating transmission of TB and Influenza on airline trips as short as four hours because of fresh air restrictions to save fuel.

This is one sickening industry as leaves people feeling they have no choice.

Choose not to fly!

Moi

[moi621 (imported)]

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Pilot error, most likely. Will this be part of a new type of training for all pilots? you bet, but the fault was ice buildup in the pitot tube, something they did not think could happen.

River

Did you read the linked article or another current article? Hhhmmm?

The ice build up and instrument confusion caused the auto pilot to be turned off and manual control of the plane assumed by the "junior pilot".

As I read the article "stall" warnings were going off as called for a nose down attitude. Instead the "junior pilot" directed the nose upward. <wrong>

Please read a current article or the link and let me know if I am having a dyslexia attack.



Oh and where was the senior pilot, the pilot pilot and not the co pilot or junior pilot when the auto pilot became non functioning and later stall alarms going off?

Seriously, let me know if I am not reading the article 'right', please. If pilot error it was an ABC type and not a rare event type error. Even I know a stall calls for a nose down, stick forward correction.

Moi

[Riverwind (imported)]

I did not read the current article I herd it on the news, but like they said, they wont know for sure for some time. What I was stating was the show that was on the TV a few months back on this very crash.

As for flying, I could not agree with you more, I will never fly again, ever. I am not a sardine, I don't like paying for a service to be treated like a piece of shit. With the rules in place you must go through security before you spend 7 bucks for a 12 oz coke to take on the plane because they no longer serve anything. Sounds like a racket to me, one that I will not play in.

Trains are not as fast, but you can get up and move around, you can see the country side, the food has gone down hill but its still better then a plane which is nothing. Plus, the staff is nice, polite, helpful, friendly, OH my.

River

[moi621 (imported)]

The train from LA to Sacramento takes 18 hours for an 8 hour drive. And it is cheaper to rent a Jeep Cherokee with insurance for the one way drive. The Cherokee being a comfy ride for such an ordeal compared to a match box vehicle.

Grayhound Bus would be a more realistic alternative to flying if not driving, in the west.

I wonder

why "the west's" rail infrastructure was never maintained as the Atlantic and MidWest services?

Moi