What's With The Gentiles

[Riverwind (imported)]

I grew up in San Fernando Valley, SFV. I went to Monroe High, it was then about 75 to 80 % Jewish, us goy's loved it, we got all the holidays off, Christian and Jewish. Jewish New Year = Day the the Beach - Zuma.

The group I ran around with was a mix, 2 Jews, 1 Catholic, 1 Lutheran, and me, Non-Denominational christian. A good mix lots of fun and we shared each others traditions like food

The Jewish religion is not a bad one or militant like Christians and Muslims, if it was not for the pork thing,,,,,

River

[bobover3 (imported)]

Trouble here is that "gentiles" refers to all non-Jews, and there are too many varieties to make meaningful, or even entertaining, generalizations. The Pope and Osama bin Laden are both gentiles.

Besides, in America's "educated class," religious belief is weak, more decorous than passionate, so religious differences don't spark much enthusiasm. Ethnic and class differences are far more important, and these cross religious lines. Jews from Eastern Europe, Spain, Syria, and Bukhara share a religion, but little else.

I've seen more than a little anti-semitism in my life, but I put it in the same category as anti-LGBT or racism. People who need someone to despise in order to feel good about themselves choose targets of opportunity. There's no method to these choices, just convenience.

[moi621 (imported)]

Trouble here is that "gentiles" refers to all non-Jews, and there are too many varieties to make meaningful, or even entertaining, generalizations. The Pope and Osama bin Laden are both gentiles.

Besides, in America's "educated class," religious belief is weak, more decorous than passionate, so religious differences don't spark much enthusiasm. Ethnic and class differences are far more important, and these cross religious lines. Jews from Eastern Europe, Spain, Syria, and Bukhara share a religion, but little else.

I've seen more than a little anti-semitism in my life, but I put it in the same category as anti-LGBT or racism. People who need someone to despise in order to feel good about themselves choose targets of opportunity. There's no method to these choices, just convenience.

Ha! Bobover got it WRONG! Nyah! Nyah! <raspberry>

There are, Jewish marker genes used to identify that south African

Black tribe with folklore of being Jewish, as Jewish. That should be

easy enough to reference if you did not already know it.

Plus, there is a Y chromosome marker for the Cohanim.

Less easy to reference is since genetic testing for organ transplant and the like. Jews tend to match each other better then their, "host population".

Now back to this thread. And if someone wants to start a "What is it about the Jews" thread please do so. But not me or Bob3 will get on my case.

This thread is about Gentiles. (The Jewish burden.)

Those less charitable in daily life, less likely to synthesize an original thought, feud prone folk and how MOT persons can help them, and perceive them.

I know lots of the qualified EA Nation is, holding back. Bet on it!

Per River's experience, Gentiles can be helped by being placed in Jewish heavy schools.

Still so much remains in the genes as with "Son of Sam" Berkowitz who was really an Italian kid adopted into a Jewish family.

Well?

Moi

PS Jesus taught me an interesting statistic EA statistic regarding the Hebrew Tribe.

But, this is the gentile thread

[bobover3 (imported)]

OK, most Jews may share a sub-molecular structure or two. The same might be said for any people originating in a small area, which is most of the world's people who haven't intermarried extensively. The people who've intermarried extensively are the conquerors, those who established empires and bred with the local populations. Had Jews been conquerors, their gene pool might have been diffused.

But even where there are genetic similarities, there may not be psychological or cultural similarities. A Chinese person born and raised in the USA is an American, regardless of his genes. Ethnic traditions may pass from one generation to the next, but these can vanish in a generation as people assimilate.

To give a personal example, all my family elders came from Eastern Europe and spoke with accents. I was raised in a multi-cultural environment. With the disappearance of my grandparents' generation, the European connection began to be forgotten. Now that I'm at the brink of old age, it's been many years since I had any contact with East Europeans, and their world is no more than a warm, but distant, memory. The younger members of my family are as American as apple pie.

Ethnic characteristics are maintained by social isolation and conflict. Once a people mingles with others in a safe and friendly way, the old ethnic markers dissolve, because they're now useless. Most people want to unite with those around them. Things that keep them apart are discarded when they're no longer needed for defense.

In America, the most diverse country in the world, many ethnic groups make deliberate efforts to hold their youth to ethnic traditions - in any large city, you'll find ethnic newspapers and organizations worried about intermarriage, etc. - and always without success. For those who insist on being self-conscious Jews or Gentiles, the problem is always how to stay that way. Rain drops merge to become streams.

[moi621 (imported)]

OK, most Jews may share a sub-molecular structure or two. The same might be said for any people originating in a small area, which is most of the world's people who haven't intermarried extensively. The people who've intermarried extensively are the conquerors, those who established empires and bred with the local populations. Had Jews been conquerors, their gene pool might have been diffused.

But even where there are genetic similarities, there may not be psychological or cultural similarities. A Chinese person born and raised in the USA is an American, regardless of his genes. Ethnic traditions may pass from one generation to the next, but these can vanish in a generation as people assimilate.

To give a personal example, all my family elders came from Eastern Europe and spoke with accents. I was raised in a multi-cultural environment. With the disappearance of my grandparents' generation, the European connection began to be forgotten. Now that I'm at the brink of old age, it's been many years since I had any contact with East Europeans, and their world is no more than a warm, but distant, memory. The younger members of my family are as American as apple pie.

Ethnic characteristics are maintained by social isolation and conflict. Once a people mingles with others in a safe and friendly way, the old ethnic markers dissolve, because they're now useless. Most people want to unite with those around them. Things that keep them apart are discarded when they're no longer needed for defense.

In America, the most diverse country in the world, many ethnic groups make deliberate efforts to hold their youth to ethnic traditions - in any large city, you'll find ethnic newspapers and organizations worried about intermarriage, etc. - and always without success. For those who insist on being self-conscious Jews or Gentiles, the problem is always how to stay that way. Rain drops merge to become streams.

<YAWN!>

[micropenis (imported)]

Let me start by saying I was raised in the Great Lakes area. I was baptised in an Episcopal church and only went to church for funerals afterward. I can remember when the only minorities in my school were a handful of catholics and one Jehova's Witness. The Jehova's witness was a blue eyed blonde!

Ages ago the jews scattered to the far reaches of the earth. They developed different traditions and customs while maintaining a very jewish identity. A feat for which I congratulate them. I read that upon the return to Palestine (Israel) after WWII, many jews had never heard Yiddish!

I remember horrible racial violence in public schools and still have scars to prove it. Assholes come in every color, religeon, philosophy, nationality, gender and place.

I try to hate everyone equally, unless they will have sex with me, then I love them!

[bobover3 (imported)]

Yes, Yiddish is the language of Ashkenazic Jews - those who spread from Germany into Eastern Europe. Sephardic Jews - those who spread from Spain - speak Ladino. There are also ancient Jewish communities in Syria (largely gone now because of persecution) and Bukhara who speak local languages. There are even black Jews in Ethiopia, who speak a local language and have been moving to Israel.

My parents both spoke Yiddish, but my father forbid me to ever learn it because of its roots in German. He considered it the language of Jewish subservience.

Now, of course, Hebrew has become the language of modern Israel. It was used only for religious studies for many centuries.

[moi621 (imported)]

Gentiles!

This thread is about, gentiles. (Moi)

Not Mormons.

Not Jews.

Gentiles, please.

Someone may start a thread about those of the Hebrew persuasion.

But, this is the gentile thread.

Where gentiles can share what it feels like to be, less so, and all that.

An we of the, chosen can share how we perceive gentiles. :shakemitk

If anyone would really like to know something of the history of the Jews painlessly with college level detail, recommended reading is & all cartoon format.

Stan Mack, "The Story of the Jews, A 4,000 Year Adventure".

Gantz, "Jews in America, a Cartoon History"

Larry Gonick, "The Cartoon History of the Universe", Vol. 1,2&3

Larry Gonick, "The Cartoon History of the Modern World", Vol. 1&2

The above two is world history from the big bang. Puts Jews in perspective where world history is usually, Christian world history.

Lastly, a nifty little essay by Mark Twain that even a dyslexic can manage,

"Concerning the Jews".

So c'mon gentiles, how do you manage, just by numbers?

And chosen members, what are your perceptions? :shakemitk , I know but I had to ask to be fair.

Moi

[gareth19 (imported)]

But Gentile is a completely amorphous term, taken over by Joseph Smith and company, it is applied to Jews among the Mormons, so it turns out that everyone is a Gentile in someone's view.

[moi621 (imported)]

gareth19[/B];146957]

But Gentile is a completely amorphous term, taken over by Joseph Smith and company, it is applied to Jews among the Mormons, so it turns out that everyone is a Gentile in someone's view.

Sounds like something an amorphous gentile might say.

Is amorphidity the gentile problem?

Whether by evasiveness of the thread topic or just not getting it,

gareth19 may have made a real break through.

Moi

PS By any definition, I'll bet friend gareth is a gentile.