Different approaches

[nullorchis (imported)]

Mind Over Body can be done, but not in all things. Via your mind you can lower stress, you can make yourself ill, etc. You might be able to slow down your heart rate but unlikely via your mind you can stop your heart from beating or stop your breathing or prevent the need to evacuate the bladder or bowel.

Nature created sex for a reason; continuation of the species. And in most living things it is something that is beyond the mind and beyond control.

Via drugs or surgery, suppression or elimination of the chemical in our body that empowers our sex drive is, in my observation, the only way that you are going to be able to divert or stop the forces of nature. Just as you could use your mind to not pee or take a crap, eventually the forces of nature are going to overwhelm your ability to have mind control over your body.

In the case of sexual relief, you may be able to avoid intercourse or masterbation, but there will be a price to pay in sexual anxiety and frustration that is going to backup into your psyche which will contribute to internal conflict. Our sex drive is just one of those things that nature made to be almost beyond our control. If you happen to have a low T level then controlling it might not be so difficult.

[mrt (imported)]

Perhaps the most advanced state is achieved when one becomes a pure eunuch, but for most, the chemical changes or the drastic loss of testosterone upsets the male system so that he can't function, at least initially. Depression and hot flashes can be eventually overcome. I wonder how long term eunuchs feel about this?

Based on the experiences of a friend who was castrated for cancer and can't use any hormones the issues continue. Being able to deal with them can get better but the core issues remain at least for years (so far)

[erikboy (imported)]

Mind Over Body can be done, but not in all things. Via your mind you can lower stress, you can make yourself ill, etc. You might be able to slow down your heart rate but unlikely via your mind you can stop your heart from beating or stop your breathing or prevent the need to evacuate the bladder or bowel.

Nature created sex for a reason; continuation of the species. And in most living things it is something that is beyond the mind and beyond control.

Via drugs or surgery, suppression or elimination of the chemical in our body that empowers our sex drive is, in my observation, the only way that you are going to be able to divert or stop the forces of nature. Just as you could use your mind to not pee or take a crap, eventually the forces of nature are going to overwhelm your ability to have mind control over your body.

In the case of sexual relief, you may be able to avoid intercourse or masterbation, but there will be a price to pay in sexual anxiety and frustration that is going to backup into your psyche which will contribute to internal conflict. Our sex drive is just one of those things that nature made to be almost beyond our control. If you happen to have a low T level then controlling it might not be so difficult.

It would not be adequate to compare sex drive with the need to empty your bladder. The second one is a physical need. Bladder may rupture if you do not empty it, it is a life threatening condition. Not having a sexual release is not life threatening condition.

I met a yogi and he teached me how to handle thoughts. It has helped me greatly. I have abstained before this time, and those times have been continuos fight and resistance with this urge and with greatly reduced ability to work.

If I look inside me where my thoughts dwell, I can see different sources of forerunners of thoughts (emotions) and thoughts that are waiting for my attention. I can select what will I think next about. It is all based in emptying your mind. Empty your mind from thoughts, don't let them overwhelm your mind! When you are able to do that, you can select thoughts on what you are going to work next.

Sounds fantastic? Yea, I am still learning how to do that with some success.

When you are drunk, then you are under influence of substance called C2H5OH but, with concentration you are able to clear your mind. Not 100% but mostly. that is just one example how to overcome substance influence.

Have you ever had a melody on your brain that you couldn't get rid of?

Learn how to clean your mind of waste!

We can not speak about substances that create libido. We don't know what causes it. Libido is all in our brains. We know that Testosterone could enhance it. But it is not the Testosterone which create the urge intermittently. Why I think so? After masturbation you have no interest to do anything sexual

. Have your T-levels dropped to zero?

I think not. When you get aroused, did your T-levels rise from zero to normal? No, I think there is a mechanism we haven't discovered yet.

Even eunuchs have wetdreams. It is rare but it is a fact. thus wetdreams are not the expression of very high T-levels. Also T-levels in teenagers are not so high (maximum is reached between ages 18 and 25), but they feel overwhelmingly obsessed with sex not speaking of wetdreams and spontaneous erections they have so frequently.

What I feel, is that there is a impulse generator in me that sends sexual impulses to my thinking space. If I let those impulses to develope and grow, it will be difficult to resist as it had already filled my inner space. And in the end you will loose. The earlier I deal with those impulses I get, the easier it is to keep your mind clear. Put them aside, do not let hook you by those impulses. It requires constant attention and dealing I agree. but it is much easier to deal early than late.

Castration would be equal to killing that impulse generator. But then you have to deal with other sources of mindwaste anyway.

Allright folks, I stop here. There is just too much to tell.

[erikboy (imported)]

Just few additional thoughts on my mind exploring experiment.

How to suppress unpleasant thoughts... As I have explained earlier, there is an inner space in everybody which is filled with emotions and thoughts. It is this space where your thoughts dwell, where you feel.

Well there are several ways of suppressing unpleasant thoughts and feelings. One is to deal with the actual source of this unpleasentness. Like if you have a need to piss then you go and relief yourself. In many cases such kind of killeng the source of unpleasentness is not possible. Then most probably one tries to fill his/her mind with other thoughts and emotions, so there is very little room for unpleasent thoughts/emotions. It works, only it makes you also incapable to work. Your mind is already filled with something else. Typically you get drunk or party. Or both. But you can't do that constantly. Then there is other way, use antidepressants, which signal your brain that everything is just fine. It is a chemical approach. It kind of fills your mind with chemical satisfaction. I can't speak much about that how it feels as I have never used those drugs. Then there is a way I am just exploring. I am learning to empty my mind. So there is not thoughts, no feelings nothing. Just pure and essential me. Then you can turn your attention to what ever you choose to feel or think. Rather than fight inside a boiling soup of feelings and thoughts chaos.

It isn't as easy as it is said. To keep your mind clear and empty you need to deal with all kind of impulses you are getting, that trie to fill your thinking space with itself.

I am not sure if it is true, but that is what I feel. When my libido sends another impulse that tries to initiate a chain reaction I recognize that impulse and my 'mind administrator' almost automatically kills it, as I have kind of preprogrammed my mind 'administrator' to do that. It feels like a big eraser inside me just sweeps over and erases that impulse.

So that is what I feel. It is difficult to speak about things you barely understand.

A 'mind administrator' it is part of me, but it seem to act independently. It can be preprogrammed. It is full of prejudices and stereotypes. It contains your 'values' system.

What I do, I explore one ore other issue and make a desicion how to deal with same issue next time, and my 'mind administrator' gets programmed.

It can be described other way, but here I choose to describe it this way.

The other thing is belief. In what you belive? It is almost the same thing I talked above. It is a way how your mind is preprogrammed to behave with your thoughts and emotions. It is very powerful force. Unfortunately people do not preprogram their mind 'administrator' knowingly. They let it happen on strong emotions. Which could be irrational. It seem that strong believers 'mind administrator' is more easy to 'program'.

So, I do not believe in Gays who turn into hetero's. I don't think it is really happening. For some reason only strong believers can turn that way into hetero's. What is happening is just that thing I call 'mind administrator' starts to select what to feel and what not to feel. It deletes all inaprpriate thoughts at the root. the action of 'mind administrator' could be detected if attention is paid, only it is inapropriate. Some call it gods will or finger or think that this 'mind administrator' work is a god work or help from god with dealing inapropriate feelings or thoughts.

I will stop now again, as my thoughts haven't crystallized enough to describe them in understandable way.

[erikboy (imported)]

Ericboy, when a guy ejaculates there is a release of prolactin that causes the guy to loose most tinterest in sex and stop thrusting. It's natures way of keeping semen in the vagina since our cocks are designed to pull other semen out when we thrust thus increasing the chances of conception.

I belive that The T molecules lock into the T receptors on the cells and you only start haveing low T effects when enough of the T recepters are empty which probably takes a few weeks. You only have so many T receptor sites which is why you have free T floating in your system. Addinm more T than your body cand bind to causes the conversion of T to estrogen and DHT.

I was thinking about what you said.

Prolactin is one substance we know. But then, when you get impulse to think about sex, or you see something sexually arousing, then this is this 'other mechanism' starting to work in your mind that makes us feel our libido. If there was no arousal you never knew you had a libido. When you get erection, it doesen't mean that your T-level has risen suddenly.

T rather enable that libido mechanism to work actively. it is like a fuel for car. there is something more you need than simple fuel.

Perhaps T enable some kind of neuron impulses to travel one or another way. Or there could be more substances be involved with brain.

[erikboy (imported)]

Another post about my mind exploration.

About this sexual impulses generator. It is fuelled by Testosterone. The higher is T-level the stronger impulses you get and more often.

When this generator activates at puberty, those impulses have not forced your brain to develope behavioaral pattern. It means that you feel sexually aroused (horny), but you do not know what to do about it. This impulse can be seen as a triggering mechanism that in normal adult triggers certain behavioral pattern. For example seeking for relief via masturbation. It forces you to seek for sexual pleasure. One or another way. During the life adolescent will develope such sexual pleasure seeking behaviours.

I can remember it myself very clearly when this 'generator' started to work in me. That morning I felt really horny and my penis was rockhard. Only thing 13yo could do is to touch himself there, as feelings in genitals invite you to do something about it, which in return causes pleasure. Thats how we learn to masturbate.

I think it would be right time to teach adolescents sexually. Don't ask how. I only know why. It is because this is the age when your brain is able to develope sexual behavioral patterns. Later it is nearly impossible to change that.

It is the age when we start to think what is sexy and what is not. Brain is programmed at that time. (remember when we born, our brain is a clean sheet of paper)

I know that there are some inherited mechanisms how brain will react to external impulses... I know, that is the inherited part.

Well what is sexy then? From anthropological studies and history we know that different things in different societies have been considered sexy.

For example in Ancient Rome circumcised penis was a gross view, it was absolutely bad taste. For most.

It seem also that this impulse generator is more sensitive to T in earlier life and gets desnsitised as man ages.

To back my words littlebit, there is a scientific study of hypogonadal boys and girls. they were put on different hormonal regimes and tested their sexual behaviour nocturnal emissions etc..

Nocturnal emissions and masturbation are directly related with T-levels. It is not that high T level cause you to masturbate, it is because it activates your Sexual impulses generator.

here it is:

http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/conten ... /7/2281#T3

wikipedia say so:

One factor that can affect the number of nocturnal emissions a man has is whether they take testosterone-based drugs. In a 1998 study, the number of boys reporting nocturnal emissions drastically increased as their testosterone doses were increased, from 17% of subjects with no treatment to 90% of subjects at a high dose

[SexlessC23 (imported)]

Well, my testosterone level tests near the top of the normal range. I have never had a nocturnal emission in my life. But I have always masturbated frequently.

[erikboy (imported)]

Well, my testosterone level tests near the top of the normal range. I have never had a nocturnal emission in my life. But I have always masturbated frequently.

You have masturbated frequently, that is the answer why you have never had Nocturnal emissions. Nocturnal emissions tend to be manifestations of non satisfied sexual desire in longer period plus high sensitivity of this 'sexual pulses generator' to testosterone.

[erikboy (imported)]

This is now another message about my ongoing experiment after a while.

For the beginning. 80% of all the new things in human life happens in his or her first 15 years. After that life becomes... well I don't say dull, but self repeating. Knowing that I want to increase this remaining 20%.

It seems the same with my experiment. Most happens in the beginning. But still I have discovered for myself something I didn't know before and would like to share.

It is again sexual desire. But this time from the aspect of creation. I have felt that. Being sexually deprived from satisfaction. That internal desire, burning and dissatisfaction that pushes artists to create something. Ancient times it was called Muse. It wasn't uncommon in ancient times that poets infibulated themselves. Creating desire to create in them, to get inspiration, and being restless.

It is interesting, that ancients acknowledged that feeling in them and named it - Muse. The source of inspiration. Desire to create. Restlessness.

What I have felt is that it is still difficult for me to concentrate on things that do not touch me 'personally' I couldn't describe it different. But if I get inspired by something I like personally and deeply, I could be extra efficient and creative. I could create art that astonishes even myself, being satisfied with my creation. The result is not mere 'average' with a smell of hard work.

Thats when my Muse touches me. And if she doesn't I am unable to do almost anything.

If I only could make living on the wave of inspiration and creation!

If we look through history, most great artists and creators have been men. I haven't seen anybody trying to explain that scientifically. But i think it is related to simple substance - C19 H28 O2. - T.

It is that burning feeling that pushes forward. Creation offers relief and satisfaction. Simple.

Sexual lives of these men have been colorful. These that we know about. Sexual objects are source for inspiration. A Force. It is a way (Muse) how sexual energy turns into something more than dull average.

I think it is the same engine that drives sex and art. So I understand that.

Basically thats all I had in my mind. And probably I will be quiet for even longer interval.

[erikboy (imported)]

Another update. I feel that my body and whatewer other systems within are adjusting. after abstaining from masturbation and sex 66 days I start to feel more or less 'normal' without the urge to do it or constant and painful thinking about that. Interesting what is it in me that is changing? is it T-level that is dropping fast? I don't think it is valid. There must be something else going on in me. What is positive I feel energetic. Not that much more energetic, but there is a certain difference.

I haven't heard or read of any scientific survey or work on how abstaining from sex and masturbation affects endocrine systems, ir if it does affect at all.