To Burdizzo or not to Burdizzo

[Quillman (imported)]

It has been my experience that the Burdizzio just does not work- that said yes to animals but not on humans, again that is unless you keep the clamping tight shut for hours- so cutting the blood supply. Just as with a band, you are looking at ten hours at least. Even then, as with the banding the testes are still capable of recovery.

Quillman UK

[SmoothieSoon (imported)]

After reading all the posts in this thread I think a burdizzo would work, if used properly. There should not be any problem with infection or excessive pain. At least not more than any other surgical procedure. It has been used by one surgeon that published in a medical journal. (see posting #12 in this thread).

Has anyone found other cases published in medical journals ? If so please cite your source.

[sduyck_2000 (imported)]

google ...zarrabi clamp ablation of testes

that is the doctor in south africa trying the burdizzo as a human castrating device

[SmoothieSoon (imported)]

Great lead for more info - Thanks !

[Conscientious (imported)]

I agree with Bobbie that the whole idea of opening the ball sac is a bad one. However, if, as many of the medical studies cited here suggest, successfully crushing the spermatic cords is a safe and effective means of castration, then the question merely becomes how to best cut off the blood flow. The problem with a burdizzo is that you are trying to cut off flow in a pipe that you cannot touch. Similarly, the problem with an elastralator, another commonly suggested non-surgical method, is that you cut off the flow by cutting off everything around the pipe. Smoothiesoon's suggestion to cut open the scrotum has a whole host of hazards. A simpler solution is to combine the first two approaches and simply squeeze the pipe directly using a tourniquet or ligature applied directly to the vessels supplying the testicle. Cut off the blood flow to the testicle, but not the scrotum, and you kill the testicle without running many of the risks of either surgical procedures or necrotizing elastralators. Taking this tack, I developed my own method of applying a tourniquet to the testicle directly, without surgery or appreciable risk of infection. Disclaimer: I am neither medically trained nor advocating this solution, but simply offer my own experience in joining the society of eunuchs.

The list of required utensils is relatively short: a 3ml 22ga syringe and needle, a 50 ml vial of 2% Lidocaine, an 18ga 1 1/2 in hypodremic needle, a 3-foot length of 30 lb test monofiliment fishing line, a 1 1/2in long 1in diameter dowel sawn in half length-wise, and a couple of thin carpenter's wedges.

I started by thoroughly prepping the area with isopropyl alcohol and sterilizing the monofilament by soaking it in alcohol. I then carefully pinched the scrotum between my forefinger and thumb, and slowly pulled the skin through my fingers, making sure that none of the veins or nerves escaped. When I had the entire bundle of spermatic cords/blood vessels tightly squeezed together, I took the syringe and injected about 2 ml of Lidocaine directly into the bundle. Then, I took the 18ga needle and pierced the scrotum next to my finger pinch, from the bottom through both layers of the sac, until the needle point exited upward. This effectively trapped the cord bundle in the fold of the sac. Taking the monofilament, I threaded it down through the needle until it exited the plastic connector at the bottom of the hypoderrmic needle and pulled about half of the 3 three-foot line through. Now came the "tricky" part. I re-wiped the needle point with an alcohol swap, then withdrew the needle part way, until it was inside the scrotum but free of the upper skin. Releasing my finger-pinch, I allowed the spermatic cords and blood vessels to go free. I then carefully edged the needle point along the interior sac wall from where it still penetrated the lower skin until reached the penetration in the upper side skin. This put the needle on the opposite side of the cord bundle from the monofilament line running through the ball sac. Getting the needle point within about 1/2 inch of the the upper penetration (marked by the protruding monofilament), I re-pierced the upper skin of the ball sac. Pulling the fishing line out of needle completed the loop around the cords. I then withdrew the needle and was done! With a few simple strokes, I had wrapped a length of 30-lb fishing line completely around all of the nerves, ducts, and blood vessels connecting the testicle to the body, but nothing else. The ligature could be tightened and left in place for as long as I wanted (or could physically endure) and the only thing that would be starved of life-giving blood is be the testicle itself.

The final step, of course, was to do exactly that, although it is not as simple as may first appear. Monofilament is quite strong in tension, but has little shear strength. If you try to tighten the tourniquet by twisting the line (e.g., make a garrote of it), the line will simply break before you have completely choked off the blood. I've tried using a winch-drum type of solution, but the simplest is to use a wedge. I took a 1 1/2 inch length of 1 inch diameter dowel and cut it half lengthwise, then cut a notch around the circumference (to keep the monofilament from slipping off). I placed the dowel on top of the protruding ends of the monofilament and wrapped the fishing line around it, making sure the line lay in the notch. Then, I pulled it as tight as I possibly could and tied off the ends. The cords and vessels were jammed up against the dowel, as the monofilament dug into them and cut off the blood flow. Of course, if the Lidocaine has not had time to work, this will prove to be a most painful exercise; you may need to inject some more Lidocaine in any case to deal with the discomfort as time passes. Because of the difficulty of getting sufficient tension with a simple know, and because monofilament has a tendency to stretch over time, I used the wedges to compensate. I slipped a wedge between the dowel halves from each end, and pushed them together, separating the dowel halves, until the ligature was as tight as a piano wire. You may need to adjust/add additional wedges depending on how tightly tied the initial knot was. The critical point is make sure that the tourniquet is tight enough to choke off all blood flow.

One question remains - how long to leave the tourniquet in place. The first time I tried this, I figured 3-4 hours should be sufficient. I figured wrong as the testicle seemed to recover within a few days. It may also have been that I simply didn't apply enough tension to the ligature to completely cut off the blood flow. Regardless, subsequent efforts were left in place (with periodic adjustments to maintain the tension) for a minimum of 14 hours. Trust me when I say that 14 hours is a long time to deal with the discomfort; although the pain does dull somewhat, you may need to keep the Lidocaine syringe handy. In any case, don't plan on moving around alot with the tourniquet in place. When you go to remove the tourniquet you have only to cut the monofilament to release the tension. Pulling the cut end back through the ball sac is a little delicate because a) the nerves will be quite sensitive after having been abused for the past 14 hours and b) the monofilament will be firmly embedded in the cord bundle. Take your time and be gentle. Once you have the monofilament out, take a hot shower to reduce any sensation of nausea.

The testicle will initially swell to about double its previous size; this will pass within a few days and begin to shrink significantly. After 3-4 weeks, it should be less than half its previous size. More importantly, it should be completely dead to the touch. I waited a month before trying again on the other side to gauge the net effect of the process (this time leaving the tourniquet on for a full 14 hours). When I found that it appeared to effectively kill the testicle with no side effects, I re-did the first side, which went much more smoothly since I had worked out the bugs (most particularly refining the tensioning system).

Disappointingly, or no, the testicles do not seem to atrophy completely. After two years, mine remain about the size of small grapes (and have about the same consistency). If your goal is to "go smooth", you'll probably have to go to a full surgical solution. If, on the other hand, you are more interested in simply disabling the testicular production of testosterone, you should be in luck. In my case, T levels had dropped from mid 600s to double digits 6 months after killing both testicles (same lab did both tests).

Once again, I am NOT advocating this as either a safe or effective technique for self-castration, although it worked quite well for me. I offer my experience simply as one approach to dealing with the compulsion to self-castrate.

I thought of a similar method using the same rationale as yourself, cut_male. How to cut off the circulation to the cords without damaging the scrotum? But I'm not confident on the outcome yet.

Your method sounds very complicated and fiddly. In your first attempt the blood did return to the testicles after 3-4 hours. You are not just looking to cut the blood flow to the testicles until they die but you need to make sure the cords are fused and the blood will not return after they are officially dead. How long that fusing takes I have no idea. Otherwise I am thinking you'd be exposed to blood poisoning as Bobbie suggested. The idea of the burdizzo is to crush the cords with enough pressure that the artery is permanently damaged.

Dana Lane's idea of crushing the cord at the side of the scrotum with a modified burdizzo is clever too. The cord is a slippery little sucker I'm skeptical you could do it that way though.

[timmy lee (imported)]

i have been talking to a guy whos step father used a burdizzo on him and it was successful, his step father was a farmer and new how to use it he told me that the cords went back into his body and his sack is empty, i have seen a photo of his sack and it does look empty. So i quess if you know what your doing it will work.

[Riven (imported)]

My mind boggles at the thought of the guy's step father castrating him. Sounds like a story from the fiction archive to me. But who knows?? There are so many Burdizzo stories floating around that it's very difficult to separate truth from fiction. We need more properly conducted and documented trials of this method.

[timmy lee (imported)]

i asked him more questions about the pain, he told me that he cried and yelled like mad the pain in the cord was the worst, but it did not last forever, i told him he was brave to go through with it.

[A-1 (imported)]

i asked him more questions about the pain, he told me that he cried and yelled like mad the pain in the cord was the worst, but it did not last forever, i told him he was brave to go through with it.

So he did it voluntarily?

...Inquiring minds want to know...

[sduyck_2000 (imported)]

xylocaine or lidocaine would have helped

i see bme store does not sell it anymore

at least when i clicked the link nothing came up