What Happened to the Devil?

[sag111 (imported)]

Forget that leaving this planet stuff because we will kill each other befor that happens.When all the bad guys have the bomb someone will use it and one will leed to the other and if God dosent come back he said we will end life.

[IbPervert (imported)]

Then its revisionist history, take a look at the maps of the time of Columbus, he had a hard time finding crews for the three ships because everybody knew the world was flat and they were scared of falling off the edge.

It was they were scared of failing off the edge...they had no notion of what was out there...sharks, dragons, monsters....in the days of Columbus each country had there own set of maps and they did not share. The ancient Greeks had figured out the world (Even the Muslims knew the earth was round) was round however there math was a little off because the circumference they came up with did not leave room for the American Continent. Also, it has been proven the Vikings had established settlements in the Americas, so perhaps they brought that information back and told the Knights Templar's. My proof about the Knights Templar's? Columbus had there symbol on the front sail of his ships!

[gareth19 (imported)]

It was they were scared of failing off the edge...they had no notion of what was out there...sharks, dragons, monsters....in the days of Columbus each country had there own set of maps and they did not share. The ancient Greeks had figured out the world (Even the Muslims knew the earth was round) was round however there math was a little off because the circumference they came up with did not leave room for the American Continent. Also, it has been proven the Vikings had established settlements in the Americas, so perhaps they brought that information back and told the Knights Templar's. My proof about the Knights Templar's? Columbus had there symbol on the front sail of his ships!

In St Thomas Aquinas's Summa Theologica he raises the objection that theology is neither useful nor necessary because philosophy also proves the existence of God; his reply to this objection is that the same fact may be approached by two different sciences and he gives as an example the fact that both astronomy and geometry deal with the earth's sphericity. In the thirteenth century, St. Thomas expected intelligent readers to accept that the earth was a sphere. Moreover, the churchmen with whom Columbus disputed at Isabella's court thought that the sphere was larger than Columbus did. They based themselves on ancient Greek accounts of the size of the earth. Eratosthenes of Alexandria got the figure just about right; Columbus used Marco Polo's misstatements about the distance to China to come up with a much reduced sphere; the Churchmen were of course right, Columbus would never have reached China sailing west from Spain, not because the earth was flat but because the sphere was too big.

And according to St. Thomas, the soul has no existence separate from the body; corpus est anima, and that remains the official position of the Christian Church. Therefore, the moment the human body is created, it has a soul, hence the opposition to abortion; the pagan conception that the soul is infused in the body at the "quickening" (the appearance of fetal movement at ca. 3 months) is rejected by Thomistic teaching; St. Thomas must also assume that the blueprint of humanity (what he called the rationes seminales) is present at the very moment of conception. Hence the reality of Fr. Gregor Mendel's genes and the truth of Darwinian evolution is a fundamental of Christian belief, of course, like John Milton, a lot of assholes calling themselves Christians are firmly of the Devil's Party.

[moi621 (imported)]

a lot of assholes calling themselves Christians are firmly of the Devil's Party.

That pretty well sums it up.

Unfortunately, most of these, assholes don't know it.

Some, accepting the Devil in their hearts, play the criminally minded game. Act good, behave bad.

Most are blind and cannot recognize Evil, the Devil in the 21st Century.

It is all about, Moi don't y'know.

Isn't that the best of times for, the Devil. Going unrecognized!

[IbPervert (imported)]

Moreover, the churchmen with whom Columbus disputed at Isabella's court thought that the sphere was larger than Columbus did. They based themselves on ancient Greek accounts of the size of the earth.

And according to St. Thomas, the soul has no existence separate from the body; corpus est anima, and that remains the official position of the Christian Church. Therefore, the moment the human body is created, it has a soul, hence the opposition to abortion; the pagan conception that the soul is infused in the body at the "quickening" (the appearance of fetal movement at ca. 3 months) is rejected by Thomistic teaching;

I was watching History of India on my local PBS and airing this week (public broadcasting channel) and they said that the Jain's (pronounced Jane's) had figured out the earth was round back in the 9th century and as an extra bonus the almost got the circumference correct.

I grew up in the Mormon Church and they teach that there is a holding area that future souls are kept in and when a body becomes available you slip in and live your life. Personally I like the idea that we lived in heaven then decided to come down to the material plane (earth plus others) to learn then go back.

[Riverwind (imported)]

Yep, I never could get past the 3 heavens myself, the bishop would ask and I would shake my head, I never made it to lesson 13 of the 17 or 18 I needed to get a temple recommend. OH Well. I think he already knew when he asked me one day if I believed that the president of the church was a profit of god, (that was Kimball) I said yes,he smiled, and I added so is Billy Graham, pope John Pall II, mother Teresa, the Rev, Tutu and I am sure there are others, he frowned at me, I have failed again. So after being the Cub Master as my calling I went on to teach the Valent B. Oh well, it was after that, that it occurred to me that God was man made, it was the only way to explain it. For the first time in my life, I am no longer in conflict.

'If in can't be expressed in figures, it is not science; it is opinion.'

'GOD is omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent, it says so right here on the label. If you have a mind capable of believing all three of these divine attributes simultaneously, I have a wonderful bargain for you. No checks, please. Cash and in small bills.'

River

[devi (imported)]

So what happened to the devil? Well I was just down there a little while ago and it seems like he's doing alright still. He really does get a kick out of everybody attaching a lot more relevence to his actions rather than to their very own actions. And as far as Christians, Jews AND Moslems that bear false witness against their neighbors he he just smiles and shakes his head and chuckles a little bit.

[IbPervert (imported)]

Yep, I never could get past the 3 heavens myself, the bishop would ask and I would shake my head, I never made it to lesson 13 of the 17 or 18 I needed to get a temple recommend.

I was such a good little Mormon boy at least until I came out of my closet

I remember one day the Bishop (in catholic terms he would be called a Priest) walked up to me and my friend Roger and said, "congratulations boys you both qualified for the duty to god award. Neither of us knew what it was at the time...I found out some 15 years later that Roger was Gay too...

[IbPervert (imported)]

So what happened to the devil? Well I was just down there a little while ago and it seems like he's doing alright still. He really does get a kick out of everybody attaching a lot more relevence to his actions rather than to their very own actions. And as far as Christians, Jews AND Moslems that bear false witness against their neighbors he he just smiles and shakes his head and chuckles a little bit.

Yeah, I paid him a visit too... seems he was to busy playing around with Jerry Falwell and all the Past Popes to tal. One things certain though Jerry Falwell has become rather good at giving the devil a blow job.

[nullorchis (imported)]

My interpretation is that concepts like "devils", "angels", "devil", "god" are intended to provide us with some visual tangible of that which is not visible and tangible. These pictures conjure up in our minds deeds and acts that are good and not good.

You are a "lil devil" if you do bad deeds or even think bad thoughts.

You are an "angel" if you do good deeds and think good thoughts.

Other than the "seven deadily sins" and all that these refer to, just what is "GOOD" and what is "BAD" is subjective. "Good" and "bad" frequently are made into laws and breaking a law is extrapolated as doing something bad, and if caught and convicted you will receive some punishment as defined by law.

Mickey Mouse, Superman, Wonderwoman, Batman, etc. are not real. They are symbols. To believe that Devil or Angel is real would be akin to believing that Shrek is real.

All these characters represent some human quality or failing, good, bad, ugly.

Do people have souls and will they go to heaven or hell based upon past performance?

Maybe.

Maybe not.

Believing or not believing won't change how it really is.

The concept is that if there is a heaven or hell, based upon someone's deeds and actions they will go to one place or another.

And even if there is not a heaven or a hell, but just the concept of one, we mentally place them in one place or another because of their deeds and actions.

Getting hung up on debating that there IS or IS NOT a devil, god, angels, heaven, hell sidetracks one from the main point. Be good. Do good. And at least in the minds of your peers you deserve to go to heaven, even if there might not be such a place.