Ethyl Alcohol Teste Injection

[Hash (imported)]

Marcy,

I doubt that telling your urologist about your injections will benefit you, it might actually be more detrimental. The medical community, for the most part, believes and have been taught, that cutting, injecting, or removing any part of ones body, except to help or save the life of ones body, is simply wrong and must be motivated by a psychotic episode or mental illness. "Why would someone purposely injure ones self?" That's the major question. Telling your urologist might force his hand and label you mentally unstable, even if you are MtF, and he might have you committed to a psych ward to stop you from self harm. I don't know, I'm just thinking this through. In my opinion, you should continue to talk with your psychologist or psychiatrist and get the papers you need which affirmatively state that you are MtF, if you haven't already. Are you planning on transsexual surgery? Only transsexual surgeons are open to what you're doing, and even these surgeons would not agree with alcohol injections. Well, that's my 2 cents, take it for what it's worth.

[Marcy Thomas (imported)]

Marcy,

I doubt that telling your urologist about your injections will benefit you, it might actually be more detrimental. The medical community, for the most part, believes and have been taught, that cutting, injecting, or removing any part of ones body, except to help or save the life of ones body, is simply wrong and must be motivated by a psychotic episode or mental illness. "Why would someone purposely injure ones self?" That's the major question. Telling your urologist might force his hand and label you mentally unstable, even if you are MtF, and he might have you committed to a psych ward to stop you from self harm. I don't know, I'm just thinking this through. In my opinion, you should continue to talk with your psychologist or psychiatrist and get the papers you need which affirmatively state that you are MtF, if you haven't already. Are you planning on transsexual surgery? Only transsexual surgeons are open to what you're doing, and even these surgeons would not agree with alcohol injections. Well, that's my 2 cents, take it for what it's worth.

Well considering how you put it, I'm kinda thinking twice about telling my urologist about this. On the other hand, it might be worth a try? I guess.

[Caith721 (imported)]

Marcy,

In my opinion, you should continue to talk with your psychologist or psychiatrist and get the papers you need which affirmatively state that you are MtF, if you haven't already. Are you planning on transsexual surgery? Only transsexual surgeons are open to what you're doing, and even these surgeons would not agree with alcohol injections. Well, that's my 2 cents, take it for what it's worth.

Hash's two cents are worth more like $2000 (give or take another $1000) when you consider that I am significantly less feminine than you and was able to obtain two letters after less than six months of therapy. The difference is I had previously established a relationship with my gender therapist and psychiatrist some years earlier, and both were aware of my transgender nature. I actively worked with them from November 2010 through March 2011 to obtain letters for "irreversible genital surgery" (orchiectomy) and would have had surgery in April if not for scheduling problems.

The most troublesome part of this process is locating and working with a WPATH-compliant gender therapist who does NOT have a gatekeeper mentality. Your best resource in locating one is talking with other MtF TG people in your area, whether it's at a club or during monthly meetings. Personal references from others are more valuable than any advertisements.

Good luck and I wish you success.

[clysmaniac (imported)]

I agree with Hash that most in the medical community are programed to only react to known and conventional things. Assuming that your goal here is to end up castrated. you'd probably find your various doctors wouldn't castrate you if you came right out and asked them to do it. So why would they do so if you told them that you had been injecting your balls with alcohol? You also have a fairly recent T test of over 500 which shows your testicle are working just fine and almost in the middle of the normal range.

Neither my wife nor I told our regular doctor (we have the same one) that I was being chemical castrate for several years, nor did I complain to him of any sexual symptoms or dis-functionality. Nor did we inquire about having me castrated. I found being chemically castrated, T level unknown at the time, to suit me well, so we embarked on doing alcohol injections to make it permanent. After 8 months and half a bottle of 100 proof vodka,

my doctor discovered my shrunken and very hard test

icles so that got him actively involved to cure me. He was doing what he was trained to do, not what I wanted him to do. An ultrasound showed enough suspicion to send me to a urologist for a more thorough ultrasound with Doppler to show blood flow and a T test. The T came back at just under 100 which was very low. Unfortunately I can't say which was more responsible for lowering it more, the Depo Provera injections or the vodka. Probably both had an effect. Since I had some recognizable symptoms, I fit into their system and after a biopsy and wait to see if there would be any regeneration, I was castrated.

My suggestion would be to not tell them of your injections or need to be castrated but work on thoroughly developing the conditions to have them respond. Forget about a T test for at least 6 months and instead work to get your testosterone much lower. Use some anti-androgen and get close to castrate level before asking for another test. And continue the injections when you are sure things have healed from the biopsy. Then if its really low they can recognize that it has dropped significantly since your last test. Be patient and let them find the clues you provide.

[Marcy Thomas (imported)]

Hash's two cents are worth more like $2000 (give or take another $1000) when you consider that I am significantly less feminine than you and was able to obtain two letters after less than six months of therapy. The difference is I had previously established a relationship with my gender therapist and psychiatrist some years earlier, and both were aware of my transgender nature. I actively worked with them from November 2010 through March 2011 to obtain letters for "irreversible genital surgery" (orchiectomy) and would have had surgery in April if not for scheduling problems.

The most troublesome part of this process is locating and working with a WPATH-compliant gender therapist who does NOT have a gatekeeper mentality. Your best resource in locating one is talking with other MtF TG people in your area, whether it's at a club or during monthly meetings. Personal references from others are more valuable than any advert

isements.

Good luck and I wish you success.

I agree with Hash that most in the medical community are programed to only react to known and conventional things. Assuming that your goal here is to end up castrated. you'd probably find your various doctors wouldn't castrate you if you came right out and asked them to do it. So why would they do so if you told them that you had been injecting your balls with alcohol? You also have a fairly recent T test of over 500 which shows your testicle are working just fine and almost in the middle of the normal range.

Neither my wife nor I told our regular doctor (we have the same one) that I was being chemical castrate for several years, nor did I complain to him of any sexual symptoms or dis-functionality. Nor did we inquire about having me castrated. I found being chemically castrated, T level unknown at the time, to suit me well, so we embarked on doing alcohol injections to make it permanen

t. After 8 months and half a bottle of 100 proof vo

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my doctor discovered my shrunken and very hard test

icles so that got him actively involved to cure me. He was doing what he was trained to do, not what I wanted him to do. An ultrasound showed enough suspicion to send me to a urologist for a more thorough ultrasound with Doppler to show blood flow and a T test. The T came back at just under 100 which was very low. Unfortunately I can't say which was more responsible for lowering it more, the Depo Provera injections or the vodka. Probably both had an effect. Since I had some recognizable symptoms, I fit into their system and after a biopsy and wait to see if there would be any regeneration, I was castrated.

My suggestion would be to not tell them of your injections or need to be castrated but work on thoroughly developing the conditions to have them respond. Forget about a T test for at least 6 months and instead work to get your testosterone much lower. Use some anti-androgen and get close to castrate level before asking for another test. And continue the injections when you are sure things have healed from the biopsy. Then if its really low they can rec

ognize that it has dropped significantly since your last test. Be patient and let them find the clues you provide.

Hi Caith721 and clysmaniac,

Congratulations on your orchiectomy Caith721! I'm happy for you. I will

definitely get a letter from my couns

elor next month since I have an appointment scheduled for her on the 1st of July. I see now that telling my urologist about the injections may not be wise, and could possibly be detrimental. I agree with Hash about not telling my urologist. Plus my gut-feeling is discouraging me to tell him also. I might however, tell my other primary care doctor about the injections. I MIGHT. My primary care doctor does plan to test my T-levels on July 25th. I won't be surprised if it's below 100 ng/dl, or low but still within the lab's normal range of 170-780. I have noticed some increased feminization of skin since this Saturday, I guess that's related to the injections, but I couldn't be dogmatic about it.

[_g (imported)]

Hi everyone,

I went to see the doctor yesterday to tell her about my injections, and to see if she'd agree to test my testosterone level. She still refused to test my testosterone levels, and actually thinks that the testicle injections can't lower your testosterone levels. She also told me that the injections are dangerous and advised that I don't do them again. I thought she was more open-minded but she seemed quite cynical. That's the last time I see her for help. I'll try to let my urologist in on the injections tomorrow. I don't know how he will react.

I do not think it will be good. And that may be an understatement.

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[Marcy Thomas (imported)]

I do not think it will be good. And that may be an understatement.

_g

I agree. I changed my mind about telling my urologist.

[AtlantaJim (imported)]

Ok 3rd injection in the fellas in the last 8 days managed 2cc in the larger right testicle and1.5cc in the left no real pain. Just as sense of well being will wait at least till monday before the next round. I feel very content in what I am doing.

[Marcy Thomas (imported)]

Ok 3rd injection in the fellas in the last 8 days managed 2cc in the larger right testicle and1.5cc in the left no real pain. Just as sense of well being will wait at least till monday before the next round. I feel very content in what I am doing.

Sweet! Keep up the good work. With luck, we may someday get our testosterone levels below 50 ng/dl.

[Marcy Thomas (imported)]

Hi everyone,

I just tried to do my 11th set of testicular injections 25 minutes ago, 1cc per testicle. I wanted to do my left testicle first this time, since the biopsy has probably destroyed my right testicle (still swollen), and it may not need further destruction. I got the needle in and, pulled back on the plunger for blood, and proceeded to begin injection. However, I could not get the plunger to budge. I couldn't get barely anything in the testicle. Therefore, I just canceled the injections and withdrew the syringe quickly. Barely any blood or liquid came out. I've actually felt just a faint abdominal ache at the left so far, but that's rapidly dissipating, and the injection site stings a little. Scar tissue formation has probably been exceptional.