Come to a Book Burning

[ibnmichael (imported)]

There is probably a lot of truth in Ibnmichael's assertion. Further, I suspect that the original ancient texts were written

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to promote the political and religious agenda

s of their own times too.

Remember that religions are also corporations with interests to protect. If they are threatened they have to react. Burning at the stake was the mediaeval equivalent of the modern corporate law suit.

For me the King James Bible is an excellent example of old Modern English with the 'thees' and 'thous' which, according to some scholars, were already beginning to sound old fashioned at time of publication. And, if you are anything of a ham actor, it is lovely to read out aloud, especially to a captive congregation.

So don't knock it. The KJV is pa
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Kortpeel

I knocketh it only as a true translation, and not as an object of history. The Great Bible of King Henry also be that, an asset to any museum. I plead only that it not be used as reference, or be heralded as a vessel of the very words from heaven, lest we all be lead astray anon, and the light in us confounded and comprehended.

I yieldeth then to the good gentleman and ladies of this forum, and for now taketh my leave.

(Ibnmichael exits stage left and the sound of piss into a pot is heard)

[moi621 (imported)]

However the Bible does make it very plain that Saul had become a very proud and arrogant person and who when David was selected as the new king became extremely envious and jealous of him. The books of kings (and chronicles) is actually kind of fascinating reading particularly the part where Saul hears the women singing about David and Saul and on into the great chase and finally into Saul's demise.

Working from memory:

Samuel tells Saul, go wipe out the Amelekites, all their people and property.

This was big, big stuff because ancients did not destroy each others means of sustenance. No well poisoning, orchard destruction and such. If they did we would never have had olives. They take decades to produce.

Well Saul doesn't do it all the way and assures a disapproving Samuel that the proper sacrifices were made. Samuel says to obey is better and tells Saul he gets no forgiveness even as Saul begs to the point of tearing Samuel s clothes.

Then we have, David. King for a while with plenty of wives and kids, sees the lovely, married Bathsheba as he watches in the evening. Arranging for her husband, Uriah the Hittite to lead a suicide charge, David scores Bathsheba. The first child conceived in sin, dies but, their second child is, Solomon. David is forgiven his sins and commandment violations. Saul and his kin, eat it big time.

Conclusion: The Lord does have favorites And in the Old Testament, his favorites get forgiveness and everyone else eats dust.

:-\ Moi

[gareth19 (imported)]

The original quote in German:

Das war ein Vorspiel nur, dort wo man Bücher verbrennt, verbrennt man am Ende auch Menschen.

That was a prelude only, there where they burn books, they burn at the end also people.

That was only foreplay; wherever one burns books, in the end one also burns humans

[gareth19 (imported)]

I knocketh it only as a true translation, and not as an object of history. The Great Bible of King Henry also be that, an asset to any museum. I plead only that it not be used as reference, or be heralded as a vessel of the very words from heaven, lest we all be lead astray anon, and the light in us confounded and comprehended.

I yieldeth then to the good gentleman and ladies of this forum, and for now taketh my leave.

(Ibnmichael exits stage left and the sound of piss into a pot is heard)

But then why privilege the Masoretic text, a creation of Central European Jews of the tenth century CE? It differs significantly from the apparent Hebrew text from which the Septuagint was translated and is missing whole books.

[Riverwind (imported)]

Its really all very simple, In the beginning Man created God in his own image, saw that it was good and he could control others with it as said it was very good.

Like all religious text it has been compromised through history. As for the rest, its window washing, glider and glitz.

If you want the truth, go outside on a clear night away from the light of a city and look up. You will see God out there and realize just how small and insignificant man is.

River

[sheep79 (imported)]

Its really all very simple, In the beginning Man created God in his own image, saw that it was good and he could control others with it as said it was very good.

Like all religious text it has been compromised through history. As for the rest, its window washing, glider and glitz.

If you want the truth, go outside on a clear night away from the light of a city and look up. You will see God out there and realize just how small and insignificant man is.

River yep and people wonder why I have no 'religious' feelings...Iran Iraq Israel....taliban...osama...etc etc etc...more people have been killed in the name of religion...then all the other wars put together....think Imagine from John Lennon...

[ibnmichael (imported)]

But then why privilege the Masoretic text, a creation of Central European Jews of the tenth century CE? It differs significantly from the apparent Hebrew text from which the Septuagint was translated and is missing whole books.

We have the Hebrew text from which the Septuagint was translated

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Which books are missing:D

[Rusty Dai (imported)]

I own a copy of the KJV and Jerusalem. And a Concordance. Lost that other book in the move, you know the one with several different versions side by side. One day this old mind will remember what it was and maybe go out an buy another.

I prefer the Jersualem Bible. It is a much easier read. I've also had several Pastors tell me it was translated more closely to English from the original texts than any other version.

Also, they said stay away from paraphrased bibles. Paraphrased versions really have the writer's influence and personal misunderstandings. We maybe should not be giving those to children. I firmly believe in marriage equality for all consenting adults. I like the judge that stumped Cooper with, tell me why gay marriage will harm St8s marriage. He didn't know. Chief counsel didn't know. Didn't know the answer to one of the most basic questions. I believe the answer is "because there is no harm, no danger and absolutely no threat to "traditional marriage." The known threats are from within the Str8 marriages, not gay marriages.

I find it really odd that people will scream "Find Jesus," "Follow Jesus" and then quote Leviticus, Paul and other writers found in the Bible to further their own interpretations. And, quite often at the expense of what Jesus really said and did.

The pastor of 13 in NC, I'm assuming he is counted as part of the congregation of 14, is just trying to make a name for himself. He will draw others out of the wood work and his church will grow, for a while.

Too bad it is not a really good foundation. The foundation of hate will collapse sooner or later, especially when the scales fall from their eyes as they did for Paul, no it was Saul really. He was human and was not perfect. He still had his prejudices and they are found in his writings and letters.

The versions of bible and other goodies this NC pastor doesn't like should not be tossed out, but studied and perhaps what is wrong pointed out. Of course that will be too slow to make the church grow, won't it.

[gareth19 (imported)]

We have the

Hebrew text from which the Septuagint was translated

?

Which books are missing:D

We have fragments of it in the Dead Sea Scrolls and we can compare the Greek text of ca. 200 BCE with the 10th century CE Masoretic text and see the differences.

What is missing are the Apocrypha, which were removed from the KJV because these texts appeared only in Greek; most of them now appear at least in fragmentary form in either Hebrew or Aramaic. And because Judith, Esther and all of Daniel is more interesting reading than Leviticus, Numbers or Deuteronomy, there absence in the KJV or the Masoretic text is a shame.

[IbPervert (imported)]

If you want the truth, go outside on a clear night away from the light of a city and look up.

River

When you look up you might just happen to catch site of the great flying spaghetti monster (http://www.venganza.org/) as he travels through space depositing life then leaving it to its own devices!