German doctors and damaged goods

[graylayer02 (imported)]

Hi all,

Has anyone here had experiences with the German medical system trying to get the nuts removed? Here's where I'm at right now. Beginning in about mid-spring I have destroyed most of my testicular function, and now I'm on Siterone to top off my efforts. Things are going very well with the low testosterone levels (though I may wish to be on a small dose of something androgenic in the long run to avoid strength and bone density issues). As a side benefit, the low-grade chronic nut pain has been much reduced, though the large floppy sack is really annoying. And the total lack of erections? Great. I feel totally myself in a way that I never had before, though my boyfriend does miss some of the kinkier aspects of me.

The question is, how could I make this permanent? I went in to the doctor's over the summer with the damaged nuts; the urologist did an ultrasound and grumbled a lot and looked very concerned...then told me I was fine and to go home (with a 'normal' T level of 191 at the time, now much lower, and no blood markers for cancer). If I were to go in again, how would I be able to convince a doctor that having a pair of dead gnarly nuts in my sack is not in my interests, or theirs? Or is there any other option where I can have them, and preferably my sack, removed? I know that Thailand's clamping down on anything elective, and I know of nobody who does elective procedures in Europe, though there are apparently some in the US if you inquire persistently enough. I can actually probably get letters attesting to my sanity; the hard part is finding a surgeon anywhere in the world (especially in Germany) who will do the dirty work. Their thinking is, if it isn't bleeding or obviously cancerous or gangrenous, they don't want to remove it.

The ultimate goal here is nullo but I'm willing to work incrementally, and there is NO way that a German doctor would nullo me. I had a chat with a gender therapist who thought I was the strangest person in the world for wanting this....I don't think that they recognize Jesus's M2E standards quite yet on this side of the pond. So that option is out.

I definitely need a new urologist (for all kinds of reasons); when I go see one, how should I approach this? I've been driving my T levels as low as possible but the 'normal' range in Germany is absurdly wide and the tests they use so imprecise. Alternatively, has anyone had any luck with Thailand in the past year or so? I know they've been clamping down pretty hard lately, but if I can find someone good there, I can do my one-stop shopping and maybe get a good vacation out of it. Either way, I'm open to ideas.

[DavidB (imported)]

what does your boyfriend think of all of this. if he isnt happy with a loss of some of the kinkier things, how is he going to feel with the loss of everything

[sduyck_2000 (imported)]

go to india

just google orchiectomy india

you will get quite a few contacts..they were very eager when they called me in the usa long distance

Hi all,

Has anyone here had experiences with the German medical system trying to get the nuts removed? Here's where I'm at right now. Beginning in about mid-spring I have destroyed most of my testicular function, and now I'm on Siterone to top off my efforts. Things are going very well with the low testosterone levels (though I may wish to be on a small dose of something androgenic in the long run to avoid strength and bone density issues). As a side benefit, the low-grade chronic nut pain has been much reduced, though the large floppy sack is really annoying. And the total lack of erections? Great. I feel totally myself in a way that I never had before, though my boyfriend does miss some of the kinkier aspects of me.

The question is, how could I make this permanent? I went in to the doctor's over the summer with the damaged nuts; the urologist did an ultrasound and grumbled a lot and looked very concerned...then told me I was fine and to go home (with a 'normal' T level of 191 at the time, now much lower, and no blood markers for cancer). If I were to go in again, how would I be able to convince a doctor that having a pair of dead gnarly nuts in my sack is not in my interests, or theirs? Or is there any other option where I can have them, and preferably my sack, removed? I know that Thailand's clamping down on anything elective, and I know of nobody who does elective procedures in Europe, though there are apparently some in the US if you inquire persistently enough. I can actually probably get letters attesting to my sanity; the hard part is finding a surgeon anywhere in the world (especially in Germany) who will do the dirty work. Their thinking is, if it isn't bleeding or obviously cancerous or gangrenous, they don't want to remove it.

The ultimate goal here is nullo but I'm willing to work incrementally, and there is NO way that a German doctor would nullo me. I had a chat with a gender therapist who thought I was the strangest person in the world for wanting this....I don't think that they recognize Jesus's M2E standards quite yet on this side of the pond. So that option is out.

I definitely need a new urologist (for all kinds of reasons); when I go see one, how should I approach this? I've been driving my T levels as low as possible but the 'normal' range in Germany is absurdly wide and the tests they use so imprecise. Alternatively, has anyone had any luck with Thailand in the past year or so? I know they've been clamping down pretty hard lately, but if I can find someone good there, I can do my one-stop shopping and maybe get a good vacation out of it. Either way, I'm open to ideas.

[graylayer02 (imported)]

@sduyck_2000: Thanks, I'll check this out. Do you know of anyone who's had an experience with these folks, good or bad?

@DavidB: Interestingly, I still have a good sex drive; it's just a little bit different from before. I've always been a bottom (with a kinky dominant streak) and a lot of that streak is still there though it comes and goes and I'm don't initiate things as much. This is a tradeoff we're trying to work out; communication is especially important. My lover fully supports my being myself, though there are parts of the 'other' me that we both like too (more energy and mischief, mostly).

[sduyck_2000 (imported)]

dont have any

they were very eager to please

@sduyck_2000: Thanks, I'll check this out. Do you know of anyone who's had an experience with these folks, good or bad?

@DavidB: Interestingly, I still have a good sex drive; it's just a little bit different from before. I've always been a bottom (with a kinky dominant streak) and a lot of that streak is still there though it comes and goes and I'm don't initiate things as much. This is a tradeoff we're trying to work out; communication is especially important. My lover fully supports my being myself, though there are parts of the 'other' me that we both like too (more energy and mischief, mostly).

[graylayer02 (imported)]

OK, so I have an update. It's exciting and frustrating at the same time, which is a big improvement over just frustrating.

I fired both my GP and urologist and saw another GP and complained about the systems of low testosterone, which by this point (6 months into the process) were actually beginning to annoy me. Just to make sure that the testosterone results came in low I cheated and took a bit of Siterone and a Depo Provera shot. The final result: 87 ng/dl. We began HRT the following morning, to very good effect.

I then went in a week later complaining that the cords, balls, and sack were pulling on each other and causing me mental and physical pain, which they were. He referred me to a good urologist who had one look at the things and said, "I don't like how they look or feel" and immediately began talking about banking sperm should they still exist (in case I want to impregnate my boyfriend or something), getting a radiologist to look at the things, etc. I think we're finally heading in the direction of removal. It might be hard to schedule with a bunch of upcoming travel, but I think it's finally going to happen at some point in the next month and a half.

Furthermore, the evidence continues to mount that my old GP and urologist were both lazy quacks. The earlier T test 5 months ago came in at 191, which even my current urologist says is very low. The old urologist also told me to go away, saying simply, "They might grow back." Idiot. The GP wasn't any more helpful; she knew the urologist was a quack but sent me there anyway, and dismissed my disagreements with, "You can't believe everything you read on the Internet." Well another friend of mine, the one who recommended the GP originally, is now in the hospital because this same lady undertreated a bladder infection which has now turned into a kidney-and-god-knows-what-else infection. I rarely get angry but there was steam coming out of my ears this afternoon when I found this out.

The moral of the story in this case is to have a good GP and urologist already lined up if you're going to do what I did. I was new to Germany and don't otherwise have any reason to see doctors, so I was blindsided by the laziness and incompetence of the one I happened to see.

I'll continue to post updates because if nothing else it organizes my thoughts. I'm simultaneously encouraged and discouraged. I'm encouraged because this time I appear to be dealing with reasonable medical professionals. I'm discouraged because after this whole process, I'm still worried about the ways things can go wrong, and the scheduling is a bit hairy.

[kastramann (imported)]

hi

i am german an my english is not good.

i wish the clinic of Dr. Steve is closed.

2 peaple working again afther Dr. Steve on germany

[kristoff]

hi

i am german an my english is not good.

i wish the clinic of Dr. Steve is closed.

2 peaple working again afther Dr. Steve on germany

Is this your fantasy or are you saying that two people are now doing Germany doing what Steve (he wasnt really a doctor) did?

[Paolo]

Es gibt viele Deutscher hier, kastramann. Du kannst Deutsch schreiben.

There are many Germans here, kastramann. You can write in German.

[Dave (imported)]

hi

i am german an my english is not good.

i wish the clinic of Dr. Steve is closed.

2 peaple working again afther Dr. Steve on germany

I don't understand what you wrote. Please type it in German and ask one of the members to translate it.