An Inconvenient Truth

[Riverwind (imported)]

While you are warm and dry its been cold and wet here, and in other places its dumped a couple feet of snow.

Actually we experienced the coldest first 15 days of October on record. Twin Cities area Mn and Wi.

River

[moi621 (imported)]

While you are warm and dry its been cold and wet here, and in other places its dumped a couple feet of snow.

Actually we experienced the coldest first 15 days of October on record. Twin Cities area Mn and Wi.

River

I lived in Milwaukee two years. Near the lake shore of course for that protective bubble so the storms don't hit as hard. Madison was more like Minneapolis then nearby Milwaukee.

The first winter was beautiful and I was told typical.

The second was dry, cold, powdery snow blowing and my hands getting red swollen and stiff. As much as I liked the people of "the town of Milwaukee", it was clear to me I was not designed for that climate. Back to Califo-nia.

So River, Is this coldest weather your version of, El Nino? -- is the point, Si?

[Dave (imported)]

>> This just says don't invest in ocean front property in North Carolina. It might not be there in a big storm with high seas.

>>

>>http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 192617.htm

North Carolina Sea Levels Rising Three Times Faster Than In Previous 500 Years, Study Finds

ScienceDaily (Oct. 29, 2009) — An international team of environmental scientists led by the University of Pennsylvania has shown that sea-level rise, at least in North Carolina, is accelerating. Researchers found 20th-century sea-level rise to be three times higher than the rate of sea-level rise during the last 500 years. In addition, this jump appears to occur between 1879 and 1915, a time of industrial change that may provide a direct link to human-induced climate change.

The rate of relative sea-level rise, or RSLR, during the 20th century was 3 to 3.3 millimeters per year, higher than the usual rate of one per year. Furthermore, the acceleration appears consistent with other studies from the Atlantic coast, though the magnitude of the acceleration in North Carolina is larger than at sites farther north along the U.S. and Canadian Atlantic coast and may be indicative of a latitudinal trend related to the melting of the Greenland ice sheet.

Understanding the timing and magnitude of this possible acceleration in the rate of RSLR is critical for testing models of global climate change and for providing a context for 21st-century predictions.

"Tide gauge records are largely inadequate for accurately recognizing the onset of any acceleration of relative sea-level rise occurring before the 18th century, mainly because too few records exist as a comparison," Andrew Kemp, the paper's lead author, said. "Accurate estimates of sea-level rise in the pre-satellite era are needed to provide an appropriate context for 21st-century projections and to validate geophysical and climate models."

The research team studied two North Carolina salt marshes that form continuous accumulations of organic sediment, a natural archive that provides scientists with an accurate way to reconstruct relative sea levels using radiometric isotopes and stratigraphic age markers. The research provided a record of relative sea-level change since the year 1500 at the Sand Point and Tump Point salt marshes in the Albemarle-Pamlico estuarine system of North Carolina. The two marshes provided an ideal setting for producing high-resolution records because thick sequences of high marsh sediment are present and the estuarine system is microtidal, which reduces the vertical uncertainty of aleosea-level estimates. The study provides for the first time replicated sea-level reconstructions from two nearby sites.

In addition, comparison with 20th-century tide-gauge records validates the use of this approach and suggests that salt-marsh records with decadal and decimeter resolution can supplement tide-gauge records by extending record length and compensating for the strong spatial bias in the global distribution of longer instrumental records.

The study was funded by

the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration

Coastal Ocean Program, North Carolina Coastal Geology Cooperative Program, U.S. Geological Survey and National Science Foundation.

The study was conducted by Kemp and Benjamin P. Horton of the Sea-Level Research Laboratory at Penn, Stephen J. Culver and D. Reide Corbett of the Department of Geological Sciences at East Carolina University, Orson van de Plassche of Vrije Universiteit, W. Roland Gehrels of the University of Plymouth, Bruce C. Douglas of Florida International University and Andrew C. Parnell of University College Dublin.

[A-1 (imported)]

What part of this is beach erosion? I ask this because other places should be experiencing the same thing if the problem is ocean rise.

[Riverwind (imported)]

Question?

Is this the first time in history the oceans have risen?

Was man the cause the last time, or the times before that?

Is man the cause of global warming?

or

Is man helping global warming?

The earth has gone through many changes sense Pananga some 250 million years ago or

In geology (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geology), Rodinia (from the Russian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_language) родина, "rodina", meaning "motherland") is the name of a supercontinent (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supercontinent), a continent which contained most or all of Earth's landmass. According to plate tectonic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plate_tectonic) reconstructions, Rodinia existed between 1100 and 750 million years ago, in the Neoproterozoic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoproterozoic) era (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Era_%28geology%29).

In contrast with Pangaea (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pangaea), the last supercontinent about 300 million years ago, little is known yet about the exact configuration and geodynamic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geodynamics) history of Rodinia. Paleomagnetic evidence (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleomagnetism) provides some clues to the paleolatitude of individual pieces of the Earth's crust, but not to their longitude, which geologists have pieced together by comparing similar geologic features, often now widely dispersed.

The extreme cooling of the global climate around 700 million years ago (the so called Snowball Earth (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snowball_Earth) of the Cryogenian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryogenian) period (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Period_%28geology%29)) and the rapid evolution (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution) of primitive life during the subsequent Ediacaran (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ediacaran) and Cambrian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambrian) periods are often thought to have been triggered by the breaking up of Rodinia.

or,

maybe its something else,

Stay tuned because the answer is right in front of us we will know the answer in about 100 million years.

I cant wait to find out.

River

My point is only this, we cant use our measurement of time to show what the earth is doing, it works on a different clock, we think in years, the earth thinks in 100 million years, to earth man has only been here 29 seconds.

[Milkman (imported)]

All of what you say is quite true, and we have no idea who is right, but why would we want to conduct an uncontrolled experiment on the only atmosphere known to support human life? In contrast to geologic time, climate change can come quickly. The cooling and glacier growth on Greenland, rendering it unfit for substantial humans population happened in a matter of decades.... killing off the Nordic settlers