getting feminized without breast development,is that possible?

[Mac (imported)]

If I were to be feminized I would definately want nice breasts to go with it.

[butterflyjack (imported)]

Yes, I think that feminization would have to include breast/nipple enlargement; in fact, I'd say that is the main affect of my experience...Six months of spiro/estrogen regimen has resulted in large sensitive nipples and noticeable breast enlargement..I'm not sure about the fat redistribution yet..I'm hoping...and my musculature seems to be about the same...But my breasts have definitely enlarged, especially my nipples...Overall, I'm satisfied...Jackie

[HumanFly (imported)]

It might be worth pointing out that growing visible breasts or not is a lottery for girls - most do, some don't, but they are all just as female as each other and it has no bearing on fertility (this is not in reference to females with AIS, CAH and similar conditions). So it's just as much a lottery for a trans woman or a male seeking feminisation.

[trannyerica (imported)]

You might want to look into trying herbal feminization as oppose to the more standard hrt. You still might grow breast, but the main complaint about herbal hrt is that it isn't as effective (if effective at all) at full feminization and breast growth. There are a number of herbal feminization products on the market...though they tend to be expensive and the effectiveness is questionable.

[foxytaur (imported)]

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=28UhMrhN ... 8UhMrhNCQM

You are reffering to bio identical hormones right?..Erica

I want to try hrt when I'm ready but I don't think I can have the nerve to go with the synthetic premarin one. I mean seriously women alone taking the stuff due to menopause have ended up with risk of cancers and tumours. and it makes sense. The premarin is synthesized using mare's urine. I don't think anything coming from horses should belong in a human body. Risk of free radicals is too great. Stick with the naturals is my humble opinion. Then again Ive researched using micronized progesterone + herbal based medical estradiol is a safer less risk assesment route. and the one im aiming for but that will be my decision.

It's bad that my mom's side of the family is prone to heartattacks. Either way. stay healthy and raise that HDL fat

http://www.marcibowers.com/grs/grs-faq.html

I'm only saying this cuz i research this info from marci bowers website.

she knows her stuff

[foxytaur (imported)]

It's important to know I'm not persuading anyone to use this or that. Oh no. If you feel the need to use synthetic hormones bc it is giving you better results. thats fine. but it would be wise to get off it and go for something that is natural based in the future.

You are your best friend. follow what feels right.

The body is a temple that is to be treated with sacred respect.

[trannyerica (imported)]

There are a number of over-the-counter herbs that are suppose to be biologically identical to female hormones. I can't say that they are any safer than synthetic hormones and one should always consult a doctor before taking any herbal remedies. I've taken some myself for a number of years primarily because my current situation is complicated and I'm not at the point of being able to go through a normal hrt regimen. Under normal circumstances, I would strongly advise against herbal hrt because it is so expensive and the outcome of the use is debatable. However, having said this, if one's goal is partial feminization, especially for someone who for example wants to be a transvestite but still be able to pass as male or female... it might be a valid route. One will may still experience some breast growth, but the effects are slower and tend to be less pronounced in most circumstances. I should state however that it can take years for there to be any effect at all... and at that point one may wonder if the effects are real or same as a sugar pill. Some swear that herbs work...others swear it is a waste of money. I'm of the opinion it works somewhat, but not well. I don't think there is a good testosterone blocker that is a herbal (SAW PALMETTO is used for this)... and so that may be the reason the effects tend to be minor.

[kristoff]

Bottom line, if you're using herbs, you're throwing your money away. Their effect is minimal to non-existent. Go read MANY of the past posts here on topic. Save your money.

[coinflipper_21 (imported)]

yes, you're right, i did some research on this and found out that low testo level and high prolactin level are coming together..and they actually complement each other. and i found that all the signs(including decreased sperm count, decreased sex drive, impotence, sexual dysfunction, loss of sex drive, decrease in body hair, fatigue, depression and ..)

that we associate with low testo level is because of hyperprolactinemia (high prolactin level).

check out this link:Link (http://sharedjourney.com/malediagnosis/prolactin.html)

i dont know if increasing prolactin level instead of of blocking testo will have the same result of blocking testo.

Prolatin does block testosterone production. That's how your daily testosterone cycle works. The testicles produce testosterone until it gets to a certain level then the petuitary produces prolactin to shut down the testicles. When the testosterone level drops, the petuitary stops producing prolactin.

I can say from the first hand experience of having a prolactinoma, DON'T MESS WITH PROLACTIN. The amounts that change male chemistry are incredibly small. The testosterone cycle in a normal man is controlled by a prolactin swing of 4 nanograms per deciliter of blood (full testosterone production) to 16 nanograms per deciliter of blood (testosterone production shutdown). Anything above 60 nanograms per deciliter of blood and you start developing breasts.

When my tumor was finally detected my level was 1800 nanograms per deciliter, over five times that of a lactating woman. I had gained 90 pounds, all where a women would gain weight, had an incredible rack (even if I do say so myself ), was totally impotent, unbelievably depressed, and my milk was coming in. If you're not into feminization, it ain't funny! Anyway, the amounts that control testosterone are so small that it's easy to screw up and no endrocinologist will try to work with it.

Mantonis, if your doctor says your prolactin level is high, even for a woman, make sure he has checked to see you don't have a prolactinoma. They are very slow growing (Mine took 12 -15 years) and very common (Nearly 20% possibility over a lifetime.)in both men and women. While they are benign, if one is left untreated it will eventually blind and kill you.

[foxytaur (imported)]

I'm still gonna bet my money on bioidentical hormones. The herbal remedy is known as phytotherapy. kristoff is right. their effect is nil to nonexistant.(very very low)

I'm still doing some more research on the bioidentical one's.

http://www.womenlivingnaturally.com/art ... php?id=177

It's a no brainer the synthetic one's derives from mares, and pigs is a very risky choice.

It seems that the FDA tweaks the molecular organic compound found in the synthetic hormones so that they can patent it. Though these slight modifications in structure have to have some impact on the human body.

In addition to free radicals found in animmals that are otherwise foreign to human tissue.

NB = An interesting presentation I was watching from my ethics class highlighted benzene, PET and PVC particles from plastic bottles come to end up in our system when we consume bottled h20(tap water ) .

What doesn't cause cancer these days?