Obviously, cloning would be a reproductive option for eunuchs. According to the Italian scientist who has been openly declaring his efforts to clone humans, one of his patients is a couple where they man had "his testicles completely severed by accident".
See: http://www.msnbc.com/news/525661.asp
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Thank you SplitDick for your allways interesting information.
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Dear Allison
I love the way You think
That kind of a world would definitely be something to look forward to;)
to me anytime, anywhere;)
I love the way You think
That kind of a world would definitely be something to look forward to;)
to me anytime, anywhere;)-
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Obviously cloning would be the
Women would have a bit more flexibility such as regular sex, egg combination, or cloning.
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SplitDick (imported) wrote: Tue Apr 30, 2002 12:31 pm Obviously, cloning would be a reproductive option for eunuchs
I suppose, but doesn't this buy into societys' general idea that children are of over-riding importance, and it is "unnatural" not to want children? Well, but perhaps some eunuchs (and I am one of those) have no interest in having offspring, natural, cloned, or otherwise.
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ibility such as regular sex, egg combination, or cloning.
Egg combination cloning will not work because part of the "Y" chromosome gives the embryo the ability to implant itself in the uterine wall.
Without this essential genetic coding, an placenta cannot form. Female on female DNA clones are not possible as far as science is able to currently discern.
Likewise, a male-male DNA fusion will develop a placenta, but the fetus cannot form properly.
Of course regular sex is always an option, but cloning can only produce exact genetic replicas of the DNA donor.
DNA replication and cloning is at present in its scientific infancy and it is very difficult to accomplish.
The most interesting research is being done with DNA from extinct animal species, i.e. Smiladon (Sabre Toothed Tigers) and Wolly Mammoths or Mastadons. Irish elk went into extinction during about the same period of time. In fact, thousands of animal species went into extinction at the end of the most recent ice age.
These species went into extinction about 10-12 thousand years ago (for unknown reasons)
but there is still some viable DNA around, especially in the form of Wolly Mammoths whose carcasses were trapped in the frozen Siberian Tundra.
It is interesting that geologists and climatologists are finally being forced to admit that obviously it would take an abrupt climate change to do such a thing.
Well, that's where science is now on this issue. While it is probably possible to simply clone humans, as yet true genetic engineering by manpulating human DNA is not scientifically possible. Science does know, however, many places where defective DNA causes disease or susceptability to disease in humans. They are just not sure in many cases what to do about it unless it can be controlled by a simple chemical supplimental protien.
When one understands that Human DNA only differs from Chimpanze DNA by only about 2%, it is easy to understand that science is working with formative forces that are not completely understood. The ethics of doing such experimentation is debateable and the results could certainly be incredibly tragic.
At the risk of sounding like a line from Jurassic Park, I would like to add science almost never starts out with experimentation on humans.
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Women would have a bit more flexSplitDick (imported) wrote: Tue Apr 30, 2002 1:11 pm me=1020133860]
reproductive option for eunuchs.
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ibility such as regular sex, egg combination, or cloning.
Egg combination cloning will not work because part of the "Y" chromosome gives the embryo the ability to implant itself in the uterine wall.
Without this essential genetic coding, an placenta cannot form. Female on female DNA clones are not possible as far as science is able to currently discern.
Likewise, a male-male DNA fusion will develop a placenta, but the fetus cannot form properly.
Of course regular sex is always an option, but cloning can only produce exact genetic replicas of the DNA donor.
DNA replication and cloning is at present in its scientific infancy and it is very difficult to accomplish.
The most interesting research is being done with DNA from extinct animal species, i.e. Smiladon (Sabre Toothed Tigers) and Wolly Mammoths or Mastadons. Irish elk went into extinction during about the same period of time. In fact, thousands of animal species went into extinction at the end of the most recent ice age.
These species went into extinction about 10-12 thousand years ago (for unknown reasons)
but there is still some viable DNA around, especially in the form of Wolly Mammoths whose carcasses were trapped in the frozen Siberian Tundra.It is interesting that geologists and climatologists are finally being forced to admit that obviously it would take an abrupt climate change to do such a thing.
Well, that's where science is now on this issue. While it is probably possible to simply clone humans, as yet true genetic engineering by manpulating human DNA is not scientifically possible. Science does know, however, many places where defective DNA causes disease or susceptability to disease in humans. They are just not sure in many cases what to do about it unless it can be controlled by a simple chemical supplimental protien.
When one understands that Human DNA only differs from Chimpanze DNA by only about 2%, it is easy to understand that science is working with formative forces that are not completely understood. The ethics of doing such experimentation is debateable and the results could certainly be incredibly tragic.
At the risk of sounding like a line from Jurassic Park, I would like to add science almost never starts out with experimentation on humans.
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A lot of strange things happened at about 12k years ago. If you read the link in the thread about our favorite websites, Master Waddie - I think - mentioned one. It has a pile of cool information on it.
As for the cloning issue, well, you can look at it this way - either it's a long way from perfect and affordable, or it will never happen, or the government already has it. Choose your poison...
As for the cloning issue, well, you can look at it this way - either it's a long way from perfect and affordable, or it will never happen, or the government already has it. Choose your poison...
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I once saw a replica of a woolly mammoth in the museum at Victoria BC and it is the most beautiful animal there ever was.
If science can let this creature walk the earth once more, not only would the world be a better place but science would have come up with something really worthwhile for once.
Kortpeel
A-1 (imported) wrote: Tue Apr 30, 2002 2:38 pm The most interesting research is being done with DNA from extinct animal species, i.e. Smiladon (Sabre Toothed Tigers) and Wolly Mammoths or Mastadons. Irish elk went into extinction during about the same period of time. In fact, thousands of animal species went into extinction at the end of the most recent ice age.
These species went into extinction about 10-12 thousand years ago (for unknown reasons)
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I once saw a replica of a woolly mammoth in the museum at Victoria BC and it is the most beautiful animal there ever was.
If science can let this creature walk the earth once more, not only would the world be a better place but science would have come up with something really worthwhile for once.
Kortpeel
Re: Eunuchs to advocate cloning?
It's something to ponder - just WHY did so many species go extinct about 12k years ago? Why the mass die-off? Surely there were not enough cavemen to hunt the wooly mammoth into extinction, and the Ice Age itself was their natural habitat.
Along the lines of "Jurrassic Park," though, if we do succeed in bringing back extinct species, what do we do with them? Man has already driven hundreds of species to extinction. We've messed up the balance already. But where do we put a herd of wooly mammoths? Or the Irish Elk? Or the dodo, just to name a few? And sabre tooth tigers? Sorry, but I don't want one of those kitties in MY backyard! Zoos? Maybe.
On the topic of human cloning, and just a few thoughts of my own that are not really anyone else's ... I'm all for it. BUT (there's that 'but' again) - as the old saying goes, "You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs." One wonders how many failed attempts there were in cloning Dolly the sheep.
As I wrote in the story XY-n, when the young hero is about to find out about cloning, the man who raised him says "I wouldn't want to be exposed as a clone these days. People are all for growing spare Parts in the lab, but when you go building custom kids, they get all bent out of shape."
Well, there's the rub to human cloning. Where's that omelette chef going to get his eggs and whose stove is he going to cook on? And what happens to the ones that don't turn out right? It's a real can of worms, yes.
But do I personally think it will happen someday? Yes.
Do I think the government is already on it? Yes.
Am I a fan of "The X-Files"? Yes.
Medical research, cloning, mind control, cyborgs ... it's not all Sci-fi and Mr. Data or the Borg on Star Trek. Life imitates art, folks.
As my recently departed adult friend, who was almost 80 used to say, "I never dreamed I'd see the day they'd build space stations or the space shuttle. I started off walking and got my first horse when I was a little boy. Now I drive a Buick that's smarter than I am."
Think about it.
Oh, and as an add-on, were I given the chance to have a clone made of myself, the answer would be yes - without any hesitation. One advantage to that is that I would know well in advance what allergies the boy would have, when he'd need glasses, braces, and what illnesses he might be prone to. And he'd look just like ME.
:tongueout
Along the lines of "Jurrassic Park," though, if we do succeed in bringing back extinct species, what do we do with them? Man has already driven hundreds of species to extinction. We've messed up the balance already. But where do we put a herd of wooly mammoths? Or the Irish Elk? Or the dodo, just to name a few? And sabre tooth tigers? Sorry, but I don't want one of those kitties in MY backyard! Zoos? Maybe.
On the topic of human cloning, and just a few thoughts of my own that are not really anyone else's ... I'm all for it. BUT (there's that 'but' again) - as the old saying goes, "You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs." One wonders how many failed attempts there were in cloning Dolly the sheep.
As I wrote in the story XY-n, when the young hero is about to find out about cloning, the man who raised him says "I wouldn't want to be exposed as a clone these days. People are all for growing spare Parts in the lab, but when you go building custom kids, they get all bent out of shape."
Well, there's the rub to human cloning. Where's that omelette chef going to get his eggs and whose stove is he going to cook on? And what happens to the ones that don't turn out right? It's a real can of worms, yes.
But do I personally think it will happen someday? Yes.
Do I think the government is already on it? Yes.
Am I a fan of "The X-Files"? Yes.
Medical research, cloning, mind control, cyborgs ... it's not all Sci-fi and Mr. Data or the Borg on Star Trek. Life imitates art, folks.
As my recently departed adult friend, who was almost 80 used to say, "I never dreamed I'd see the day they'd build space stations or the space shuttle. I started off walking and got my first horse when I was a little boy. Now I drive a Buick that's smarter than I am."
Think about it.
Oh, and as an add-on, were I given the chance to have a clone made of myself, the answer would be yes - without any hesitation. One advantage to that is that I would know well in advance what allergies the boy would have, when he'd need glasses, braces, and what illnesses he might be prone to. And he'd look just like ME.
:tongueout