Masturbation is it a Sin?

[StefanIsMe (imported)]

I would comment on this thread, but I can't see for shit these days, and besides, I'm spending too much time shaving my palms...



(oh, come on, SOMEBODY had to say it!!!! )

<-- me, spanking my monkey :p

[Glenda_J (imported)]

Mish, you said,

Sin? The definition of sin is an offense given to God.

To me,that is the point. How is masturbation a sin agaist God?

I have yet to figure that one out.

Regards, Glenda

[JesusA (imported)]

Would that ALL schools would take up such a lesson plan….

Spanish region takes hands-on

approach to sex education

Officials launch campaign to teach young people about 'sexual self-exploration and discovery of self-pleasure'

Giles Tremlett in Madrid

guardian.co.uk

Thursday 12 November 2009

It is a subject that would make most governments blush, but officials in the Spanish region of Extremadura have launched a major programme to encourage what could be described as a more hands-on approach to sexuality.

The region's socialist government has launched a €14,000 (£12,600) campaign aimed at teaching young people how best to set about "sexual self-exploration and the discovery of self-pleasure" – or to put it less delicately: masturbation.

"Pleasure is in your own hands" is the slogan of a campaign that has sparked political controversy and challenges traditional Roman Catholic views on people having sex, even on their own, for non-reproductive reasons.

"This is an intimate subject that should be dealt with at home," complained local opposition leader Hernández Carrón of the rightwing People's party. "We have become the laughing stock of Spain."

"They are interfering with the right of parents to educate their own children about a matter as important as their sexuality," agreed the conservative Confederation of Fathers and Mothers of Schoolchildren.

Officials from the neighbouring region of Andalucia have expressed an interest in copying the programme.

The campaign includes leaflets, flyers, a "fanzine" and workshops for the young in which they receive instruction on self-pleasuring techniques along with advice on contraception and self-respect.

Extremadura's government is funding the campaign through its youth and women's affairs departments.

"The campaign is simple, clear, natural and easily understood by the people it is aimed at, who are aged between 14 and 17," said Laura Garrido, president of the Youth Council of Extremadura.

Commentators questioned why the poorest region in Spain was paying for a campaign to promote onanism.

"Extremadura should be pleased with itself," sniped Pilar Rahola, a columnist in the Barcelona-based La Vanguardia newspaper. "It may have the most unemployed young people in Spain, but they will be the best at masturbation."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/no ... -education

[Misha999 (imported)]

Glenda, This is the Jesuit logic:

Sin as the Jesuits define it, is any offense that separates a baptized person from that person's knowledge of the will of God.

First, one has to believe in God or a god.

Second, one must follow the commands of this God or god.

Third, one has to believe that this God or god commands that masturbation be banned.

Forth, one must believe that not following this command is in fact an offense against the God or god.

Fifth, one must hold that committing an offense against the God or god is a sin.

Thus it stands that one must first believe in a God or god. And that this God or god forbids masturbation on pain of punishment.

In the Roman Catholic teaching male masturbation is the loss of "potential" life as it does not (usually) include female intercourse. Interestingly female masturbation is not included because there is no loss of "potential" life. Yet another religious kick in the balls to the guys.

I use the Jesuit logic because it's the one I'm most familiar with.

M

[IbPervert (imported)]

Would that ALL schools would take up such a lesson plan….

Good for them.... I would raise my hands in support but they are busy at the moment!

[JeffEunuch (imported)]

Like others, I am pleased that at least one or a few educational authorities are exploring this behaviour, which for the most part seems to be a very healthy one. It would be better if we could at least talk openly about it even if many venues are inappropriate for doing it openly or in public.

Nothing wrong with self-pleasure!

[Lord Wrackspurt (imported)]

In the Roman Catholic teaching male masturbation is the loss of "potential" life as it does not (usually) include female intercourse. Interestingly female masturbation is not included because there is no loss of "potential" life. Yet another religious kick in the balls to the guys.

two follow up questions/Comments if I may be permitted.

1. Following the logic you describe here, if a guy's nuts are aching, and there is absolutely no chance that he could get laid. He's not married, has no girlfriend, no money for a prostitute; there is absolutely no way he can get any pussy. Then is it still a sin for him to jerk off since there was never any existing "potential" to conceive life anyway?

You could say: Well you're still wasting your "seed" cause a beautiful girl might show up tomorrow and ask you to do it with her (are you listening God, I wouldn't mind a bit?). In that case, the boy's will be fully recharged tomorrow, she and I can still get God's holy work done.

2. Also, wouldn't the "potential" for conception be enhanced by flushing out the old "seed" every day, or even several times a day, (there is a biological "use by" date on a guy's spunk, it does degenerate over time) and having a fresh made batch ready in the old torpedo tube would make having a happy healthy baby more possible?

If the "potential" life concept is the real reason, then out with the old and in with the new is actually a better argument.

Plus, I don't really know where it is in the Bible that God specifically said that masturbation was a sin. Just cause a Priest, or other shaman says it's forbidden doesn't mean God said it was wrong. I've heard the thing about Onan being the source of it all, but Onan wasn't punished for masturbating. As I recall, he was punished for pulling out during sex instead of making a baby. That's way different from masturbation, not only was there very real potential, but God had specifically ordered him to get the girl pregnant.

Onan was punished for disobeying a direct order from God.

[gandalf (imported)]

Onan's sin was refusing to raise up a son (or heir) to his brother. That child would take the place of the older brother. He "spilled his seed on the ground". Actually, if you read other translations, he had sex with the sister-in-law but pulled out before ejaculating. That was why he died. Not because he masturbated. As was said, he disobeyed the law of God as to what a surviving brother was supposed to do to keep his brother's name and inheritance intact.

[Misha999 (imported)]

LW, as to question #1 The short Jesuit answer is yes. The long answer is that availability or the opportunity for sex does not obtain. It's the destruction of "living" human sperm where the potential life issue lies.

#2, Even if that's true you still are still saddled with issue #1. Can't get around it.

The RCC is the arbiter of what is sinful for Catholics. The RCC condemns masturbation as a sin. The Bible really doesn't play in this issue.

Personally I have no position on the subject. The subject is a matter of what faith you hold and what that faith teaches.

Sin is a religious / spiritual construct. If one is not religious then question is moot.

M

[Phole (imported)]

Don't forget that Onan actually had sexual intercourse with his brother's wife. It was only at the moment of climax that he withdrew and spilled his seed upon the ground. The real sin was disobediance to God. I was at a summer Christian camp one time when one of the speakers was talking about sexual sin. He was really going on about premarital sex when all of sudden he blurted out that masturbation was a sin and that he would explain his statement later. He never got back to it. All of the "counselors" were looking pretty uncomfortable. later My buddy and I cornered his dad who was one of the preachers at this shindig and we asked him what he thought the speaker was getting at. It was the first time I had heard the story of Onan. Interestingly my friends father totally disagreed with the concept that masturbation was a sin. He was a dubba.